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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

To maybe be more clear: you are implying that the c in "soc" is pronounced like a "sh" when it's the t in "tion".

Is it not? How do you pronounce it?

Also I'm pretty sure that's what the "ʃən" at the end of the pronunciation thing means.

Looking at the sound-by-sound pronunciation, it seems to confirm this.

/ʃ/ as in she

/ən/ as in sudden

I think the question was whether or not people pronounce the "soc" in "soccer" the same as they pronounce it in "association" ("soʃ" I guess), or like "sock"

[–] Vintor@retrolemmy.com 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I did provide a link where both the British and the American pronunciation treat the c as an s sound. They have the IPA as /əˌsəʊ.siˈeɪ.ʃən/ for both dialects. "soc" does contain the c, not the t.

As I said, I'm not debating that the t in "tion" is pronounced that way (at least I tried to be clear, maybe I muddled it even more), but I have always pronounced the c as an s sound, and it appears Cambridge agrees with me.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Some British English dialects do use a ʃ sound for the C in "association". OED has it listed for both UK and USA, though I don't personally know what the US situation is there

[–] hraegsvelmir@ani.social 2 points 2 hours ago

The pronunciation tab there is paywalled, but in the OED app on my phone, they list /əˌsəʊsiˈeɪʃn/, followed by /əˌsəʊʃiˈeɪʃn/ in the pronunciation section. I honestly can't recall ever hearing a single person in the US pronounce it /əˌsəʊʃiˈeɪʃn/, and though I won't say nobody does, the other pronunciation is far and away more common, where the 'c' and 't' make entirely distinct sounds.