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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, exactly. But they also wrung their hands about it and cried some crocodile tears in public, which was enough to get AIPAC to fully side with the GOP.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

My issue is the word lukewarm. It was not lukewarm in fact it was worse during Biden then during Trump. Both are equally responsible for the genocide regardless.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

The notion that Biden more strongly supported Isreal's genocide than Trump has is ludicrous. And that's not a defence of Biden, it's just a simple fact. It's like pointing out that John Wayne Gacy killed more people than Ted Bundy. You're still allowed to consider both of them despicable monsters.

And yes, they're both equally responsible, but I never mentioned responsibility, did I? The point was always about who AIPAC wanted to hitch their wagon to, not who actually did what harm.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

I literally gave you the data showing that Biden is worse. Biden lied about seeking a cease fire blamed Hamas for it when it was Israel who kept refusing to accept and add new terms. The term lukewarm is ridiculous whatever you apply it to Biden or Trump.

Since July, all of the sources I have spoken to confirmed that Hamas had accepted Biden’s ceasefire proposal that was endorsed by the UN Security Council, which is premised on an 18-weeks long ceasefire divided into three phases, at the end of which there would be a permanent end to the Gaza war after all hostages have been released. The same sources, as well as Israeli media, and the Egyptian mediators have consistently blamed Netanyahu for obstructing the talks and refusing to end the war. Even in the latest ongoing round of negotiations, senior Israeli security officials are sounding the alarm that their Prime Minister is still sabotaging the talks. Yet, the White House keeps insisting that Hamas is “the obstacle.”

https://internationalpolicy.org/publications/the-biden-administrations-false-history-of-ceasefire-negotiations/

I am tired about all the talk about Aipac too. Aipac is funded by Americans , shitty American Politicians willfully accepted being funded by them and stupid American willfully voted for them for decades

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 0 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

At this point you keep missing the point of everything I've said so badly that I think you're just making up a guy to get mad at. Good luck with that I guess, it's clearly got nothing to do with me.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 14 hours ago

You made a claim. I gave you a million of source sbowing you are objectively wrong. You didn't like the truth so you claimed that I mossed your stupid point. Typical cultist behaviour