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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 125 points 1 month ago (20 children)

For the people who didn't read the article - apparently everyone in this thread - the reason for the postponement is not Trump's comments, despite how the headline makes it sound.

Iran are smart enough to let Trump mouth off. What killed the talks is that Israel killed a bunch more people in Lebanon today.

This was inevitable. Iran wants a muzzled Israel as a condition of the war ending. Israel doesn't want the war to end with anything less than the total destruction of Iran (they certainly don't want a capitulation that actually leaves Iran stronger). So Israel are going to deliberately break the ceasefire until one of three things happens;

  1. Iran stops calling them on it (there is zero evidence that this will happen).
  2. Trump gives up on peace and commits to a full scale invasion.
  3. Trump finds a way to make Israel do what he tells them.

As I've noted elsewhere, this war isn't remotely close to over. US vs Iran was the pre-show. Defeating AIPAC's iron grip on US politics is the main event.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Annoyingly, it's technically accurate, but extremely misleading.

If I say my friend died after eating at Arby's, while neglecting to mention the part where he went to a bar, got stinking drunk and wrapped his car around a tree, the entire statement is technically true. Those events did happen, in that order. He certainly didn't die before eating at Arby's. But there's an implied cause and effect that has nothing to do with the reality.

[–] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The fortune teller gave me some grim news, she said that I’m going to die after eating at Arby’s 8(. I haven’t been to one in decades but now I’ll never go back for sure.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)
  1. trump declares mission accomplished and invades cuba so he can feel stronk.
[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That doesn't solve the strait, and the US is about a month away from having too little crude oil to actually run their refineries (you have to maintain a certain pressure level in the pipes or the whole system stops). We haven't seen the real oil crisis yet. The real oil crisis is 10x gas prices, rationing, grounded planes... It would be cataclysmic.

Trump has to pick an option here. If declaring victory and walking away was possible he would have done it already.

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[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Trump finds a way to make Israel do what he tells them.

Does he realize he could just bomb israel instead? Is he stupid?

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago
[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

We have ways been at war with Eastasia.

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Currently, based on public statements from him and Vance, it actually looks like Trump thinks a fight with AIPAC is more winnable than a fight with the global oil market. Both he and Vance have been pretty openly threatening Israel. Whether they'll have the spine to put some steel in those threats is to be seen, but that seems to be the direction they're leaning, at least for now.

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[–] Big_Boss_77@fedinsfw.app 97 points 1 month ago

You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means.

[–] UncleArthur@lemmy.world 74 points 1 month ago (3 children)

This is the terrifying bit to me, FTA:

In his latest interview, Trump told Axios that there are “no limits” to his power and the peace deal is “probably is unconditional surrender” of Iran.

Trump was asked what the conflict had taught him about the limits of his power. Trump replied: "I haven't learned that lesson yet. I know there are, but there are no limits."

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Yeah. He is either incredibly delusional about what is going on or his administration is really great at keeping him in the dark.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago

He keeps himself in the dark, because his brain doesn’t work.

Both because of dementia and because of life long narcissism at least.

[–] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

It would be incredibly sad if it didn’t have such widespread consequences. He always was a dumb narcissist, but he really is deteriorating mentally quickly in the past year, and he never was that bright to begin with. He should be in an elderly home, not the oval office.

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[–] Bogus007@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Sounds a bit like this Austrian wannabe painter. He also thought that there is no limit.

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[–] redsand@infosec.pub 67 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not like Israel was ever going to get on board anyway. Deal was dead from day 1. Same pump n dump every week

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 15 points 1 month ago (17 children)

America holds the leash; Israel depends on America's diplomatic, military, and financial support to continue existing. Every time a US president has tugged at the leash, Israel has come to heel.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is the smallest president we've ever had.

[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Plus he is 100% compromised, there is no way they don't have blackmail on him. Given his (the shitbirds) history, both recent and ancient, I wonder what type of blackmail would actually change the minds of his supporters or convince the US to actually pursue justice on his stained ass.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago

Epstein was literally an Israeli political operative. They know where every single body is buried.

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[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tehran Surrender

Wrong.

Unconditional

Also wrong.

Conditional US Surrender

There it is.

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[–] Wrongdoer2@sh.itjust.works 45 points 1 month ago

Hahahahahahahaha fucking hell

[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He single handedly save the US from the jaws of success

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[–] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 month ago

Fucking idiot.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The remaining Orange's ~~free~~ few brain cells did an unconditional surrender.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Really makes you feel for the attempted assassins, they had a tough marksmanship challenge when trying to liberate those cells.

His sphincter unconditionally surrendered a decade ago

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 20 points 1 month ago

To avoid this the next version of the memorandum of understanding must have a specific clause highlighting that Trump is a little bitch.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Mighty morphin taco time!

[–] com@mander.xyz 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

What can be done about these terrible click-bait "news" headlines? It's just awful. A high school newspaper has more accurate headlines. Personally, I'd like to see news organizations that do this banned from being shared here if the poster uses the canned spam title with the post.

Maybe there is a news instance that doesn't allow this. I'll be outside shouting at clouds.

[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

The thing that annoys me more is that the article and the headline have been updated now to say that the talks were called off because of Israeli strikes on Hezbollah.

I was curious not so much about what Trump said, but whether it actually affected negotiations.

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[–] Miller@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Trump boasts of Tehran’s [start mumble] acceptance of our [end mumble] ‘unconditional surrender’

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There weren't any conditions left after you fulfilled them all...

[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I got a free banana from the store! All I had to do was give them $10 first!

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I mean what can a banana cost?

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Ah what a waste of time and money for everyone

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 6 points 1 month ago

Oh dear, is he really going to fail at failing?

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Negotiations between the US and Iran in Switzerland were cancelled after clashes between Israel and Hezbollah - before a renewed ceasefire was announced in Lebanon

[–] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

I hate to be right, but this deal being bullshit was the easiest call in the world.

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