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[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 4 points 2 hours ago

Oh dear, is he really going to fail at failing?

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 2 hours ago

Well that was predictable. The gigantic man child was always going to screw it up. Someone needs to push him out of window or something.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 19 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Tronn4@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

Mighty morphin taco time!

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 hours ago

Negotiations between the US and Iran in Switzerland were cancelled after clashes between Israel and Hezbollah - before a renewed ceasefire was announced in Lebanon

[–] fox2263@lemmy.world 7 points 9 hours ago

Ah what a waste of time and money for everyone

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 114 points 15 hours ago (20 children)

For the people who didn't read the article - apparently everyone in this thread - the reason for the postponement is not Trump's comments, despite how the headline makes it sound.

Iran are smart enough to let Trump mouth off. What killed the talks is that Israel killed a bunch more people in Lebanon today.

This was inevitable. Iran wants a muzzled Israel as a condition of the war ending. Israel doesn't want the war to end with anything less than the total destruction of Iran (they certainly don't want a capitulation that actually leaves Iran stronger). So Israel are going to deliberately break the ceasefire until one of three things happens;

  1. Iran stops calling them on it (there is zero evidence that this will happen).
  2. Trump gives up on peace and commits to a full scale invasion.
  3. Trump finds a way to make Israel do what he tells them.

As I've noted elsewhere, this war isn't remotely close to over. US vs Iran was the pre-show. Defeating AIPAC's iron grip on US politics is the main event.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 6 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Trump finds a way to make Israel do what he tells them.

Does he realize he could just bomb israel instead? Is he stupid?

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 hours ago
[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 13 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
  1. trump declares mission accomplished and invades cuba so he can feel stronk.
[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

That doesn't solve the strait, and the US is about a month away from having too little crude oil to actually run their refineries (you have to maintain a certain pressure level in the pipes or the whole system stops). We haven't seen the real oil crisis yet. The real oil crisis is 10x gas prices, rationing, grounded planes... It would be cataclysmic.

Trump has to pick an option here. If declaring victory and walking away was possible he would have done it already.

[–] cmbabul@slrpnk.net 1 points 7 hours ago

I’ve been telling everyone to enjoy this summer, cause this is the end of the gravy train. Everything is going to get much much worse

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 8 hours ago

oh I was not way implying it would.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 15 points 14 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 14 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Annoyingly, it's technically accurate, but extremely misleading.

If I say my friend died after eating at Arby's, while neglecting to mention the part where he went to a bar, got stinking drunk and wrapped his car around a tree, the entire statement is technically true. Those events did happen, in that order. He certainly didn't die before eating at Arby's. But there's an implied cause and effect that has nothing to do with the reality.

[–] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

The fortune teller gave me some grim news, she said that I’m going to die after eating at Arby’s 8(. I haven’t been to one in decades but now I’ll never go back for sure.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Technically, some day I will die after eating at Arby's and that's a horrifying thought.

[–] MoonMoon@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

What if I've never eaten at an Arby's? Am I technically immortal?

[–] Sludge@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Probably, the unfortunate part is that you're going to die now that you've posted a comment referring to Arby's on Lemmy

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago (2 children)
[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 8 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

We have ways been at war with Eastasia.

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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Currently, based on public statements from him and Vance, it actually looks like Trump thinks a fight with AIPAC is more winnable than a fight with the global oil market. Both he and Vance have been pretty openly threatening Israel. Whether they'll have the spine to put some steel in those threats is to be seen, but that seems to be the direction they're leaning, at least for now.

[–] badgermurphy@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I had thought all this time that he and others had never even publicly entertained the idea of breaking with Israel on policy due to a combination of a steady stream of bribes and a dossier of compromising information on many prominent figures with the implicit threat of intentional leak.

I guess we might be about to see if that was true!

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, it's pretty astonishing. I never thought I'd see the day.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 12 hours ago

4 - like in 2006. Hezbollah force israel to retreat

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[–] com@mander.xyz 12 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

What can be done about these terrible click-bait "news" headlines? It's just awful. A high school newspaper has more accurate headlines. Personally, I'd like to see news organizations that do this banned from being shared here if the poster uses the canned spam title with the post.

Maybe there is a news instance that doesn't allow this. I'll be outside shouting at clouds.

[–] nickiwest@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

The thing that annoys me more is that the article and the headline have been updated now to say that the talks were called off because of Israeli strikes on Hezbollah.

I was curious not so much about what Trump said, but whether it actually affected negotiations.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

I'd like to see news organizations that do this banned from being shared here if the poster uses the canned spam title with the post.

then nothing would be posted.

I don't disagree with your point that editorialized headlines are just awful, but if you were to ban sources based on this criteria on lemmy, the information just wouldn't be posted on lemmy.

[–] redsand@infosec.pub 67 points 21 hours ago (21 children)

Not like Israel was ever going to get on board anyway. Deal was dead from day 1. Same pump n dump every week

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[–] UncleArthur@lemmy.world 73 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

This is the terrifying bit to me, FTA:

In his latest interview, Trump told Axios that there are “no limits” to his power and the peace deal is “probably is unconditional surrender” of Iran.

Trump was asked what the conflict had taught him about the limits of his power. Trump replied: "I haven't learned that lesson yet. I know there are, but there are no limits."

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 22 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah. He is either incredibly delusional about what is going on or his administration is really great at keeping him in the dark.

[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 13 points 14 hours ago

He keeps himself in the dark, because his brain doesn’t work.

Both because of dementia and because of life long narcissism at least.

[–] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 5 points 14 hours ago

It would be incredibly sad if it didn’t have such widespread consequences. He always was a dumb narcissist, but he really is deteriorating mentally quickly in the past year, and he never was that bright to begin with. He should be in an elderly home, not the oval office.

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[–] loutr@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago

I know there are, but there are no limits.

The fuck does that mean

[–] Bogus007@lemmy.zip 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Sounds a bit like this Austrian wannabe painter. He also thought that there is no limit.

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 48 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Tehran Surrender

Wrong.

Unconditional

Also wrong.

Conditional US Surrender

There it is.

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[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 93 points 23 hours ago

I'd unconditionally surrender if I had to change nothing and receive 300 billion.

[–] Big_Boss_77@fedinsfw.app 96 points 23 hours ago

You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means.

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