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[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 15 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

America holds the leash; Israel depends on America's diplomatic, military, and financial support to continue existing. Every time a US president has tugged at the leash, Israel has come to heel.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 19 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

This is the smallest president we've ever had.

[–] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 11 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Plus he is 100% compromised, there is no way they don't have blackmail on him. Given his (the shitbirds) history, both recent and ancient, I wonder what type of blackmail would actually change the minds of his supporters or convince the US to actually pursue justice on his stained ass.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 10 points 17 hours ago

Epstein was literally an Israeli political operative. They know where every single body is buried.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Honestly I think the reason Russia has a bit less hold is that the pee tape (presuming 14 year olds or so) simply doesn't matter as much as it once did.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 2 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

America may hold Israel's leash, but AIPAC holds the GOPs balls in a vice.

Remember, Trump is signing this surrender document because he sees this as the least damaging option politically.Now he's going to have to weigh the damage of a full scale war with Iran against the damage of angering one of the most powerful political groups in America.

AIPAC have always played both sides; they're with the GOP right now because the GOP offered full throated support of their genocide in Gaza, while the Dems only offered lukewarm support. But they'll gladly flip to being all in on the Dems, with whom they still have very close ties, if that's what it takes to get Trump out of power. Either that or they'll engineer a Never-Trumper coup within the GOP. Or both.

And that's before we even consider that Israel certainly has all the real dirt on Epstein.

Controlling Israel is easy. Controlling AIPAC is going to be the biggest political bloodbath of our lifetimes.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)
[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, exactly. But they also wrung their hands about it and cried some crocodile tears in public, which was enough to get AIPAC to fully side with the GOP.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

My issue is the word lukewarm. It was not lukewarm in fact it was worse during Biden then during Trump. Both are equally responsible for the genocide regardless.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 0 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

The notion that Biden more strongly supported Isreal's genocide than Trump has is ludicrous. And that's not a defence of Biden, it's just a simple fact. It's like pointing out that John Wayne Gacy killed more people than Ted Bundy. You're still allowed to consider both of them despicable monsters.

And yes, they're both equally responsible, but I never mentioned responsibility, did I? The point was always about who AIPAC wanted to hitch their wagon to, not who actually did what harm.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I literally gave you the data showing that Biden is worse. Biden lied about seeking a cease fire blamed Hamas for it when it was Israel who kept refusing to accept and add new terms. The term lukewarm is ridiculous whatever you apply it to Biden or Trump.

Since July, all of the sources I have spoken to confirmed that Hamas had accepted Biden’s ceasefire proposal that was endorsed by the UN Security Council, which is premised on an 18-weeks long ceasefire divided into three phases, at the end of which there would be a permanent end to the Gaza war after all hostages have been released. The same sources, as well as Israeli media, and the Egyptian mediators have consistently blamed Netanyahu for obstructing the talks and refusing to end the war. Even in the latest ongoing round of negotiations, senior Israeli security officials are sounding the alarm that their Prime Minister is still sabotaging the talks. Yet, the White House keeps insisting that Hamas is “the obstacle.”

https://internationalpolicy.org/publications/the-biden-administrations-false-history-of-ceasefire-negotiations/

I am tired about all the talk about Aipac too. Aipac is funded by Americans , shitty American Politicians willfully accepted being funded by them and stupid American willfully voted for them for decades

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 0 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

At this point you keep missing the point of everything I've said so badly that I think you're just making up a guy to get mad at. Good luck with that I guess, it's clearly got nothing to do with me.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 hours ago

You made a claim. I gave you a million of source sbowing you are objectively wrong. You didn't like the truth so you claimed that I mossed your stupid point. Typical cultist behaviour

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I think you're underestimating the extent to which if the US establishment decides AIPAC is a problem for its own interests they can destroy its influence overnight. Especially with weakened democratic norms and checks and balances, no group, no matter how well connected can be safe from an unhinged executive acting in the name of "saving the country". If AIPAC becomes a problem to them, if it no longer serves them, they will deal with it. Similar to how whoever doesn't play nice with Putin meets various kinds of windows.

It is not an accident that a part of the MAGAsphere has already pivoted against Israel. And remember that the fascists have no actual solutions to anything, just an infinite progression of "purification". They would have zero qualms about going full antisemite within the US if it suited them. And when that time comes, the Zionists will experience the actual difference between antisemitism and antizionism in practice.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 0 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Not underestimating that at all, I just think it's going to take a LOT for the administration to get there. AIPAC's influence and money have a massive effect on US elections. There's a reason both parties are so friendly to them even when public opinion is decidedly against Israel.

Money is votes in US elections. I sincerely doubt that the current administration is going to end Citizens United just to shut out Israel.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 1 points 5 hours ago

There’s a reason both parties are so friendly to them

Because AIPAC's policy aligns with the military-industrial complex. Funding Israel funds Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon, etc, whom funds their campaigns.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 11 hours ago

Oh yes, I agree. It would be a major major shift.

[–] redsand@infosec.pub -1 points 14 hours ago

Oh. You were serious. Let me laugh harder. HAHAHAHAHA!

Israel led a successful campaign to capture political assets through a combination of blackmail, political lobbying (it's not only AIPAC), spying through government software they sell and decades of interweaving into US defense.

The 80 year old man has the leash tied on and can't let go