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I believe that the majority of Lemmy users are Americans (the majority of discourse is US-centred, non-English communities except German ones are effectively nonexistent).
Davel's rhetoric partly aligns with Russian propaganda, but its pseudo-leftist bent is not really found in Russian propaganda or in Russian popular discourse.
I again would ask you, if possible, to find the screenshots. I don't think it's impossible, I just think it's less likely than him being American. Solid evidence can decisively end this dispute.
Literally my first comment ITT was pointing out the article he linked is written by a pro-Trump blogger. If you think me writing that was meant to be in any way a defense of Davel, that's just crazy.
The rest is random accusations with no heads or tails that I don't think can be meaningfully responded to. I have one alternative profile (now unused) which is linked in my profile description.
Oh hunny, you believing things isn't proof. :((
How many Americans you know of who learned to speak fluent Russian in their adult years?
You're pathetic.
You mean "rhetoric I won't address because it'd show how wrong I am, so I just go there to put in childish comments implying defense of Russia and how the US sucks"
This is literally like a teenage "philosopher" trying to argue how "water isn't actually wet".
Genuinely I've had good laughs and I was somewhat lonely tonight so thanks :DD
"Please find the screenshots you took of some lunatic Russian 4 years ago" yeah they're actually on my PC, but it shouldn't be hard for you to Google "davel lemmy" and see all the different accounts he has. Although since I've stated pointing it out, after he started evading me, he's also deleted the comments I've screenshot and shared.
Again thanks for the giggles
Oh hunny, the same is true for you. How the fuck can someone be so arrogant? You've provided no evidence and only made claims, and you want people to believe you, but also you're saying believing isn't proof. What? Are you stupid?
Oh because you're asserting random things with literally no rhetoric I behind them, or just saying "nuh-uh, fake news, fake news!"
I've followed Davel and friends for literally years. You can repeat yourself all you want, but it's not gonna make your rhetoric any better, and you're clearly unable to see it's quality compared to mine.
It rally would be absolutely trivial for Davel or anyone to prove they're American, but under the guise of "I don't wanna dox myself" you keep pretending it wouldn't. As if posting photos without exif or too much context is soooooo hard, right?
So nothing he says or does is evidence, but there's also no other data than what he says or does, so no data ever could prove to you he is actually Russian. Because you know you're lying.
Arrogance has to be earned, my little poo-pah
None personally, since I don't talk with Americans except on forums online, though obviously I've read texts by a number of them (scholarly writing on Russian language and literature) and have seen and interacted with them on Russian-learning communities online. If you find that to be relevant. Do you know Russian well enough to judge his fluency anyway?
I really don't believe you could look through my comment history, as you claimed, see my recent post with Semyon Skrepetsky's painting, and say I'm in any way a defender of Russia. It looks like you're just looking for enemies.
Lemmy isn't indexed on Google very well, and finding people's accounts that way is nigh impossible. I found his older inactive account on Lemmygrad and that's it, and there's no Russian there as far as I could see. Of course, maybe he deleted the comments in question, etc.
If you do run across the pics, even long after this discussion is over, don't hesitate to post them, I'll be thankful.
You've been very patient with this hostile git, commendable.
Yes, just looking for enemies. Just like Davel, who thinks there are "approximately zero Russian trolls on Lemmy" when he's active and mods same communities as Dessalines, who is one of the developers of Lemmy, and known to be a Russian Marxist-Leninist.
Perhaps Russian propaganda doesn't even exist, it's all just "progressive social media posts"? (This is the sort that makes me laugh, as if anyone even remotely politically literate would confuse "progressive social media posts" with authoritarian propaganda. I'm sure people do, as there are plenty of politically illiterate people. That's what Russian propaganda relies on, lol.
"Have you seen this Russian propaganda first hand" Uh, yeah, most definitely. Again, one would have to be politically illiterate not to have.
As I said, I've read through many of Dessalines' comments (on Lemmy and Reddit) at one point, and saw no indication he's anything other than American. Now both of these are Russian speakers, according to you, or is the latter part just in reference to Davel?
Of course not. As I pointed out, once again, the very blog linked by Davel in OP's screenshot is by a self-admitted right-winger/pro-Trumper who has been reporting on the failures of Ukraine and "glorious advancements" of Russia for years, it could be a textbook example of the horseshoe theory. You don't have to explain to me that Davel is being disingenuous, he openly said he wants Russia to conquer Ukraine because Russia isn't imperialist, unlike the US, I don't need any additional convincing regarding him.
Yeah like I said this is the same thing that Davel did. Pretends there's no Russian presence on Lemmy, like arguing "water isn't wet".
The number one thing I've found is the hardcore refusal that any purposeful Russian propaganda or Russian accounts are on Lemmy. It's a hilariously clear sign of a вахтера
Sooo, your view is that Dessalines, Davel, Yoghtos and other Marxist-Leninist nuts are all just non-Russians accidentally perpetuating Russian propaganda which actually isn't even provably Russian propaganda? You know, the explicit Marxist-Leninist politics defending Russia, blaming Ukraine, etc?
Yeah that's not hilarious at all. :D
Keep going with this, you'll soon surely wear out my stamina of... being entertained by you. :DDD
Oh man I should reduce smoking you caused me to almost puke because I laughed so hard I started coughing and nearly couldn't breathe
It's really not that hard to prove you're not Russian either. Unless I just happen to be a Russian with finish dogtags and a Finnish calendar just conveniently by me for that reason while actively speaking against Putlerists.
How likely do you think that is?
My guy, Yogthos has said many times that he grew up in Russia. What’s to be gained by pretending to be someone other than one’s self for years on social media?
Get a grip on yourself.
Oh more "fake news fake news, Russian would never do organised disinformation and the fact that those accounts align 100% with Russian propaganda doesn't mean anything!"
Oh man what did Vicky with three kisses gain from pretending to be on the side of the Axis?
I mean, weren't you the guy saying we should be actually careful about propaganda? But now you're gonna pretend that organised Russian propaganda on sites literally built by them don't have any at all, and even if there is why would any account spreading Russian propaganda want to pretend that they're actually American?
Oh such a mystery, don't you think? Just can't grasp my head around the motivations here... Soooooo haaard.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/why-are-russian-trolls-spreading-online-hoaxes-in-the-u-s
https://www.csis.org/analysis/russian-bot-farm-used-ai-lie-americans-what-now
https://arxiv.org/html/2507.23699v1
And ofc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_disinformation
What you do t realise is that by denying literally every criticism of purposeful Russian disinfo, you're literally aligning 100% with Russian propaganda.
Despite there being more than enough evidence for concrete proof of it.
So, there's absolutely 0% chance that Davel, Desssalines, Yogthos and other have anything to do with Russian web brigades?
0% chance? So then, those are all your accounts, and you know that for certain? Which would mean sort of admitting to the opposite, because if you're a Ruski with several accounts all spreading Russian propaganda, it's kind of hard to argue there's literally 0% chance it's going on, isn't it?
That's like being in the lift with someone else, just one other person, hearing a loud wet fart. You know it wasn't you, but then you look at the other guy and while the stink keeps growing and brown goo comes out of his trouser legs, he'll still argue "it wasn't me".
This is why I find this so entertaining :D
AI hallucinations are a waste of time.
You're still ascribing me ideas that I didn't say or even outright denied (particularly this nonsense: accidentally perpetuating Russian propaganda which actually isn’t even provably Russian propaganda), and you're not even trying to corrobate your previous claims. It's actually crazy how hard you're ignoring the things I wrote even on points where we agree. You do have to understand that US is a very different country from yours and you can't project all of your local issues onto it. US's relationship to and perspective on Russia is different from yours in Finland, and just as their right-wingers could have latched onto one strain of Russian propaganda, so could their Marxists; you likely won't find clear parallels to their logic in your home country due to different history, political climate, proximity to Russia, etc. But you have to understand that in different countries different political positions can arise due to different circumstances.
That sounds very worrying, I hope you're just joking here.
Um, what? Did I say anything regarding your own nationality? Why in the world would I suspect you're Russian, why would you have to prove to anyone you're not?
You have some issues bigger than some pro-Russian useful idiots on a small forum. I won't reply anymore because I don't want to make you puke, I wish you all the best.
Oh like how you're joking with this inane "nuh uh, you can't prove water is wet" thing?
Your rhetoric is hilarious. Let's go over a bit of it. So you're grabbing tons of hallucinated implications from my text, while saying that when you write things, it's purely 100% prescriptive? (Yes, you're gonna have to Google what that means, unfortunate, isn't it?)
"I'm quitting not because it's so hard to even argue water isn't wet, but because I so sympathetic to people laughing at me"
Genuinely, like, you can't proofread your own comments or you just don't see how ridiculous they are? :D
So, again "some pro-Russian useful idiots". What proof do you have they're not agents of the Russian government, and are American instead? Oh, did you perhaps hallucinate that? Awww :((
I'm no stranger to being irritable and combative, but I'm gonna have to ask you to cool off and take a break from this particular conversation.