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But.. why the fuck would Ukraine put kerosene on drones instead of actual explosives? So they could make it look scenographic but not do any actual damage? Lmao
Cost. I can sort of see some logic to it. If you know a significant amount of drones will go down then why not make some easy picks and make them dramatic as possible. Save the good stuff for the wave of drones which count.
The scenographics does hold a big part of it. Normal people seeing something which looks significant might start to see the fight is closer to home than they realise. Kind of like counter propaganda. And it's a lot cheaper too!
Also, this is an attack on an oil storage facility. Why bring a few extra kilos for the photographs when your target is thousands of tons of combustibles?
.ml, hexbear, lemmit.online, many others - basically intellectual cesspits or maybe foreign psyops I can't decide. Notice most posts are screen grabs from state run propaganda outlets like Sputnik, tass, xinhua etc. What's wild is they occasionally get traction in popular feeds with tons of up votes. Call out any of the BS and mods remove posts or just outright ban immediately.
Cesspits, almost certainly. Never underestimate the ability of people to simp for bad causes of their own volition.
Imagine being the govt troll assigned to the Lemmy division
YURI. YOU WILL DO LEMMY. FIVE READERS WILL BE INFLUENCED YURI. MAKE US PROUD SON.
Pretty low ROI brainrotting a couple thousand people I figure, not worth bothering. Tankies do it for free.
Wait. What if we're their training grounds LMAO
At some point, when all their lies have been proven as such, I want to sit those people down and have them admit that they were wrong. Of course, this will never happen. As soon as their old lie collapses, they throw up a new lie to cover their tracks.
See: 2022, when the tankie line of choice swapped from "Russia isn't going to invade you dumb Westoids! CIA propaganda!" to "Russia invading is Good, Actually!" without ever acknowledging their weeks of denials.
I'm guessing request for fuel is also staged by Ukraine... LMAO
What the hell is that "terrorist attack" you're attacked Ukraina first and now crying because get revenge terror from Ukraina?
Tankies are so weird with how they handle criticism of China or Russia. I think it has to do with admitting there are shitheads in those governments doing bad things implies the existence of shitheads in non-commie nations and that maybe you can just get rid of the shitheads instead of burning the whole thing down.
It's campism. "The West is Bad(tm), therefore, anyone against them is Good."
It's religion with red-colored giftwrap.
Not sure what you’re trying to say.
Every country has some level of shithead leaders, just some are far worse than others.
Nobody disagrees with this it’s an incredibly rare occasion someone is unaware of their own country’s shittiness (unless you’re a National Chauvinist tool like so many republicans).
The issue is the tankies/sinophiles immediately jump on the “but your country is shitty too!” bandwagon anytime they get criticized, like this magically makes the criticism invalid or something. It’s a bullshit argument.
It’s more likely (but not guaranteed) to get rid of shitheads in democratic countries than in autocratic authoritarian States like China or Russia.
Nobody disagrees with this.
That's where I'm getting at, though. They'll straight up disagree with any criticism. They'll say Ukraine for example was the aggressor against Russia. They'll deny any of China's ethnic cleansing or Russia's imperialism.
What I meant with the shithead comment was admitting their perfectly flawless states have bad actors in them opens the door to other states having bad actors, going against their narrative that non-communist states are fundamentally flawed and can't be fixed. Because fixing them rather than toppling them makes you a liberal fascist.
He says shit like this while insisting he's an American
He's banned me from any community/instance they have power over, and for the longest time, never posted anywhere he wasn't a mod on.
Look at me. Look at me. I'm the moderator now.
Edit the post, thread and this comment really got all the Ruskidefenders crawling out of their holes. You haven't better shit to do on a Saturday than pretend that Russia isn't bad and does not practice disinfo. Okay. ;> it's quite entertaining, but they're clearly trying to brigade the comments below, expecting I'll run ouf of stamina to answer all of the "water isn't actually wet" bullshit as it's pretty funny. I won't. But I am short on time today
Reality has a well-known Russian Propaganda bias.
If the war was going the way Russia wanted, it would have ended years ago.
Why do you think he couldn't be American? Do you believe Americans are immune to Russian propaganda? There's been several stories of US right-wingers simping for Russia so hard they moved there, frequently with comical outcomes, sent to the frontlines, etc., this is the same thing with a (not very convincing) left-wing coat of paint.
producing thick plumes of oily smoke.
That's what happens when oil burns. Specifically, when oil storage tanks burn. Burning oil makes big plumes of thick, oily smoke.
In the video below, a shot-down drone can be seen jettisoning its special FX package.
Ukraine managed to get a drone through three (or more) layers of air defense around Moscow, only to drop an FX package? Look... Even I make fun of Russian air defense, but it's not entirely useless and it does work.
It now makes perfect sense how Ukraine was able to fabricate such an eye-catching mise-en-scene
No. It doesn't make any sense at all, per the above reason. If you send a drone to Moscow, make it through the air defense and have the opportunity to bomb a refinery, just bomb the fucking refinery. Burning oil is your FX package, dipshit.
The actual damage to the refinery itself turned out to be disappointing, as only a few oil storage tanks were actually destroyed.
Oil tanks are big, contain a fuck-ton of oil and burning tanks are a pain in the ass to extinguish. Heat damage alone can shut a refinery down if any high pressure tanks or lines were exposed. They would need to be inspected properly and that isn't a small task. So yeah, a couple of destroyed tanks is kind of a bad thing. (Also, he just confirmed that is wasn't an "empty strike", employing "FX packages". Shit got blowed up, dawg.)
In fact, much of Ukraine's recent narratives
.. narratives, propaganda or whatever... Those are likely Russian videos of Russian oil tanks on fire. No narrative is needed. (I stay away from most state news sites and steer clear of most opinion-based news, blogs or videos. Getting actual information about a conflict is hard enough, thanks. My point: I don't know the narratives and reading a blog like this just lets me know that the propaganda engine is having to chooch really fucking hard about this.)
Alas, these propaganda blogs are just made to sow doubt with large groups of idiots. It doesn't matter if they are true or not, what matters is that their future front-line meat waves stay dumb and that .ml posters have another hyperlink to add as a "source": These links are also for idiots to click that don't validate any of those sources. This stuff fuels confirmation bias, consciously or not, and regardless if any of it is true.
Are they really saying that:
A) Ukraine has massive drones capable of carrying huge payloads to make these large oil fire plumes all on their own?
B) Ukraine has the ability to get these massive drones through (almost) every layer of Russian air defense?
C) Ukraine has enough oil to spare to burn it in drone drops like this, just for publicity?
That's ... not the flex they think it is.
If what they're saying is true (and it obviously isn't), they should count themselves lucky that Ukraine is just putting on a show with these huge, impressive drones dropping big smoke packages rather than, you know, using them to drop equally big bombs.
Ah yes a drone that isn’t bigger than two bicycle can carry enough kerosene to cause such a massive smoke plume. Fucking idiots.
Also it turned out that Russian rockets that are part of the air defense system hit the oil storage tanks.
Ukraine next time just needs to send some toy planes, and let Russian air defense do the rest
I've seen a LOT of dumb shit coming from the tankie triad, but this... this is...
I dunno, it's 3am and I'm scrolling past articles about Hunter Biden challenging one of the Trump kids to a cage match, and people collecting floating chunks of pool liner and comparing them to bricks from the Berlin wall, like I'm starting to doubt whether I'm awake or asleep anymore and I'm starting to hope that the huge dome that was filmed blowing off the refinery is hit by a huge gust of wind that can carry it the thousands of miles it'll take to land on my head so that I can verify for myself whether it was actually made of styrofoam. I dunno.
The blog in question is literally pro-Trump, lol: https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/40k-subs-milestone-and-another-one
Yes, I'm sure the damage to the refineries is non-existent and the lines at the gas stations are staged by the CIA
It's funny because Ukraine doesn't need to look strong.
Both standing up to the bully and getting hit by the bully will gather empathy.
The only thing that doesn't get empathy is invading another country.
Trying to invade, failing and then pretending like you are succeeding is even worse.
Right, and Russia has already won the war it started four years ago but all of war videos are SFX. For fucks sake go find someone more human to idolize won't you, not someone who wants to leech on the world by living until 150. That is so pathetic.
That is some load bearing cope right there.
Sad how much propaganda there is even on lemmy, i've seen multiple posts about this recent attack but none seem unbiased, one one hand you have people spreading pro russia propaganda and on the other people cheering at what looks like the matrix plot.
Dumb ass doesn't understand "if it works, it works". If the refinery exploded using a matchstick, it still fucking works.
Shame Russia popped its own refinery trying to shoot down an FX package.
I think actually Ukraine probably should start doing this. Would be cheaper. Drones have nothing on them but a high res camera for capturing the glorious waste of money Moscow throws at it, wrecking their own shit in the process. Would make for a good bit of TV
