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I mean, yes, that's what I said, but you do, of course, realise that's worse, right? Like, not only are they not willing to pay for a service to be domestic, but they are willing to pay for it, to the people they want to decouple from.
?? They are willing to pay for a domestic service, presumably to people doing it domestically, just not more than what they're currently paying to non-domestic people. I'm not sure how you are reading this.
They are willing to pay for the service itself, but not to have it be domestic. Ie., they would like to have it be domestic, abstractly, all else being equal, but they're not bothered enough to be willing to pay to actually make it happen.
I don't understand why you think it should be more expensive if it's locally made.
...I don't understand why you think I think that.
83% want a domestic alternative, one in two (50%) would pay more for it. 83-50=33. 33% is one third. So, quoting my comment in full, "…So, a full third want a domestic alternative, but not to pay for it?". That's it. That's what I said.
There is, as of now, exactly one (1) person in this entire thread that responded to my comment without either hallucinating things I didn't write, or ignoring what I did. There are, also, as of now, between three and eight of you that can't fucking read.
Those 33% do want to pay for it. Just NOT MORE. But they do want to pay. Why do you keep saying they don't want to pay for it when the text says 83% are ready to pay for it? And somehow you still insist that it's everyone else who's wrong.
Here:
Those two statements are contradictory.
It absolutely does not say that. It doesn't even say how many pay for it now. You're hallucinating things again.
Are you an LLM? Is that what's happening?
It literally says "83% want an alternative, and 1 in 2 are ready to pay more" . You're the one making shit up about people not paying at all for no reason.
Dude, look around you. Everyone's telling you that you're reading this wrong.
...And from that, you assume the 83% are all paying customers?
No, you are assuming they are not.
"83% want to reduce their dependence" does mean that they are dependent on American systems. And half are ready to pay more than they already are. That is, in fact, what the whole article is about. People who use those systems.
What do you think "pay MORE" means? More than what?
Somehow you're introducing the notion that, what, they're all pirating it? You're just making up nonsense.
Pirating? Why would they pirate anything, the reason the US got to where they are is that most of their shit's basic tier is free. I'm dependent on Google, and I don't pay them anything.
You've failed to understand the article and headline. The poll concluded that French people would be willing to pay a higher cost for goods and services that are domestic to France. Your last statement "... But they're not bothered enough to be willing to pay to actually make it happen" is directly opposite the article. A vast majority are indeed willing to pay to make it happen which is why they stated such.
And you've failed to read my first post: the majority are, but a third are not.
Where are you citing a third? Maybe that's where the misunderstanding lies.
83% want it, "every other" (50%) would pay, 83-50=33, 33% (a third) want it, but aren't willing to pay to get it.
No, you are reading that wrong.
Fine, quote me the article part where it mentions paying for cloud services.
The title is "one in two would pay MORE" and "83% want an alternative."
No one is saying that the 33% difference don't want to pay. You are claiming that. You prove it.
...I said the article, not the title. Go read the article.
By the way, "basculer vers un fournisseur" does explicitly mean they currently pay for something, but that they're ready to move to something else. And "surcout" does explicitly mean an increase of cost compared to the cost they currently pay. And so does "payer plus cher" (the "pay MORE" that I've been underlining for you over and over since the start).
I don't understand how you could possibly be dumb enough to read this any other way.
I don't know what the fuck you think you're trying to do here.
Excellent, you're making an effort now! Progress! Now, let's go and fix what's actually wrong. At the start, we said:
And then I clarify:
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So, not that they're not willing to pay at all, but that, in their mind, kicking out the Yanks is a "nice to have", not an actual selling point they would pay for specifically. Once again, to clarify, the "it" in "pay for it" is specifically the local nature of the service, not the service itself.
Then, you slide in with "I don’t understand why you think it should be more expensive if it’s locally made.", and I genuinely don't know where you got that from. I'm not saying it should, or even would cost more, ~~I'm saying that~~ I'm actually not saying anything, the article is saying that if it did, 50% (well, 51%) would not pay for it, and presumably opt for a cheaper, foreign option. And because this is the conversation it is, I am hereby clarifying that "cheaper" can also mean "free".
Well, my French may be exceedingly rusty, but the thing I'd read here is that "surcout", "plus cher", and "basculer vers un fournisseur" all refer to the 49% who would pay. The 83% response is to the question about the EU.
You literally said it was "worse" that they're willing to pay, but not more, for a local version?? That is a judgement call you made about the people's answer, those fabulous 33%, the weirdos who "can't be bothered enough to be willing to pay for it." If "not paying more" is worse, then how are you not, in fact, saying that they should be paying more??
I still don't understand what you're reading wrong here. 100% of the people they asked are paying something, they're all using the EU's services, which is currently not deGAAFed enough. 49 of them are ready to pay more if the EU goes local. The other 51 are not ready to pay more for the EU services they already pay. Everyone has a fournisseur / provider, everyone uses EU services, everyone pays for them. 83% of all the people they asked think it should be local, and 49% of all the same people would pay more to make it happen.
Does it help in any way if I point out that there was a stink up not long ago about French health services storing data on Microsoft clouds? About the DGSI (national security stuff) having a contract with Palantir ? (which they dropped fortunately) Google, Microsoft, Amazon, are everywhere, in France, in the EU - in things that we pay for right now, through taxes for France and for the EU, and then there's the other stuff like Internet providers that we individually pay for, some of whom do or did use stuff like Amazon's services. And the general sentiment is that they should fuck off, and half of the people would be willing to pay more. This is what it's about.
Correct. Making the leap from "free" to "paid" is a big one, mentally. A stance of "I would like an EU service, but not enough to go through the hassle of actually setting up a paid tier of service" is a lot easier to understand than "I already pay the Yanks, and would like an EU service, but I just don't wanna spend any additional money.
Ah, no, not "can't be bothered" - "they’re not bothered enough". They are bothered, as in, it upsets them that the service is foreign, but not enough to get them to do something about it. And I'm not saying they should pay more. I just think it's funny that they aren't willing to, especially what's explicitly a "nominal surcharge". Kinda how when everyone says they want to eat healthy, and then keep eating pizza.
Aaah, you're talking about paying taxes for government services. Now you're making sense.