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Make it make sense 😢🤮
He wasn't just picking up litter. He rented a backhoe and actually started digging in the river bed.
https://youtu.be/Kj9Hvdzu_zw
so?
So it is a pretty different situation compared to if they had been removing trash by hand, which is much less likely to cause unforseen harm. The heavy machinery will compact soil, potentially leak oil/fuel. The mechanized digging of the stream bed could disturb benthic species and stir up silt that could have negative impacts further downstream.
Without appropriate precautions, this fellow could easily cause more harm to the ecosystem, which is one of the reasons that this is not and should not be legal. It sounds like this group did do some background work to try to make sure they were doing the right thing, but I don't think it should be open season for anyone with a backhoe to dredge a local body of water based on their own judgement.
Ahh, you're not being serious. Noted.
You're imagining problems where there are none
Do you legitimately believe that people should be allowed to use industrial excavators to dig up whatever public land they want?
It's Britian. He didn't have a permit and organized a group.
People without training and coordination with a larger system can cause problems, especially if he encourages other untrained people to do it.
It sucks but there’s billions of us so it’s gonna suck. At least that’s what my local councilman (and dad) said when I complained I needed to ask permission to change my deck.
Two years in prison is stupid though. Make him work with the groups who have approved plans.
And I hate that this is the answer I’m giving but honestly it’s the only thing keeping me from renting a bulldozer and making my neighborhood walkable.
I feel like this is only justifiable if the officials aren’t given time to act. It would be one thing if he fired off an email and ran out and did this the next day, but according to the article he spent years contacting officials before doing it himself. If they want to live by perfect world rules where stuff like this is overseen and coordinated with experts then they need to do it in a timely manner. It’s unreasonable to expect people to live in an area full of garbage for years and just do nothing about it.
I like this argument because there’s a right to petition the government, and to a timely trial.
I get that the official body probably didn't have the resources to be able to clean it up, but imagine if there had been a compromise solution in which volunteers could have done this work but with the guidance of a professional, sanctioned by that official body. That seems like it could have been the best of both worlds. It's a shame that this ended up as it did
Just make sure to up armour it if you do.
Cue the A-Team montage music
I advise studying the Killdozer event to prepare for your montage!
I pity the fool who ain’t studied Killdozer
if they didnt want the hazmat to be a hazard they shouldn’t let it into the river; this way people won’t have to risk lives to clean it up. from this firefighters pov - i can understand how dangerous it is to work around rivers but imho i am happy to hope the damages to a person voluntarily working to clean up an organization’s messes will, after trial, be paid by the said org.
i know that’s not gonna happen. i just.. it fucking sucks this fucking country.
Somebody didn't read the article. The problem is flood risk from dredging (in the UK)
fair point. i didnt. :)
This is sad, but also understandable.
I totally agree that the punishment is unnecessarily harsh, but well meaning people can cause damage while trying to do good. The road to hell and all that.
Those responsible for maintaining the area not doing their job is a separate, and I'd say more serious, matter.
Yeah you need to run an environmental impact study and a 6 month observational survey to determine the long term impacts of removing pollution from the environment.
Your councilman is trash. I don't want to encourage bulldozing a neighborhood but you're right to feel that way. Then again, I do encourage making places walkable so you'd get critical support from me. Just get utilities marked so you don't hit a gas line.
It's not just "removing pollution" it's dredging the entire riverbed. That releases silt, and anything contained in the silt, to flow downstream and collect elsewhere. It can smother fish eggs, it can clog infrastructure, it can kill plants and invertebrates .
I don't think this dredging means machine based digging on the riverbed in this case. 200bags over 10 days. That's manual labor.
If the city wasn't even considering the residents requests then i don't blame them. The city should do better if they're concerned about flooding and fund a proper survey and cleanup plan to facilitate the citizen action.
There's videos of them with a backhoe scraping the river bed and indiscriminately hacking up plants on the riverbank. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.
It's in the fine article:
bwergh :)
Can't, since it doesn't 🤬
I want to speak to management, like NOW!
That would be this dude, I guess 🤷🏻
name and shame
Alan Lovell
there you go you got a reply that makes sense
now be nice and magnanimous and thank them or maybe give a friendly reply, maybe even start a discussion if you don't understand
go on it's how to be a better lemming
you're not the boss if me! Fracking lemmings. Always the same with your lot 😤