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California drivers sue gas stations for allegedly using AI to inflate prices
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 23 Jun 2026
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Like do you really need an AI to do this? It's been going on for years where I live. It's not hard for all the local gas stations to collude to raise prices. It's easier than ever when you have the likes of gasbuddy crowd-sourcing all the price-checking.
Maybe using AI could be considered collusion?
I knew someone who worked for a gas station in a medium size college town. Part of her job was to jump in her car once a night and write down the prices that other local gas stations were charging, so the prices at her station could be adjusted. It didn't require AI, only a Honda Accord.
Or a phone book. But still charge for the gas.
just had to drive up to the top of the big hill with a pair of binoculars
i like to point out that companies are using ai to be a boogeyman to distract you. take every article tou read and remove ai from the text or replace it with automation/algorithm.
even the jobs. 5 years ago it was "company lays off 10000 employees" response was "fuck management" -- today they are doing the same thing but add "because ai" and everyone now says "fuck ai".
I think it is very much both. I think that many people being clubbed and beaten by this AI stick know that someone's swinging it.
A tool is only as good or bad as the one using it. Ai is no different.
If AI wasn't being swung around by a bunch of dipshits and being overly inflated and left to grow at a reasonable pace instead of trying to hyper scale it faster then it reasonably should.
I doubt literally anyone would have a real issue with ai.
You don't need massive data centers, you don't need to steal the world's knowledge, you don't need to replace every human possiable with it.
But the ones wielding and pushing AI are doing that. And people blame the unthinking tool. Not the idiots using it.
And this said as someone who fucking hates AI as it currently is
It's like Scooby doo except the mask is AI and underneath it's still a rich guy
Yeah, most of the analysis I have seen has shown job losses due to AI have amounted to less than 1% of job losses in the US. Most of the losses are because of... just look at the White House. Easier to blame AI than actually admit politics is causing some serious issues.
That's illegal as well.
Sure, but now you can blame the AI. Sorry, not our fault.
how does the logic work so it's not their fault? if they are price fixing they are price fixing, the mechanism doesn't matter.
Yep, if you tell an AI to do something, you are at least partially to blame for whatever it does. They shouldn't be able to avoid responsibility that easily.
That's kind if what Germany told Google. "If you have AI write your search summaries, you are responsible for checking its work and liable for its mistakes.
No, you are entirely to blame.
SHOULD be entirely to blame. But arnt cause rich people
Yeah you're probably on the money there. AI gives you some sort of plausible deniability?
It didn't work for the RealPage rent price-fixing lawsuit.
It certainly is. They get caught once in a while. The first time it happened was when I added the term "oligopoly" to my vocabulary.
Tell that to OPEC.
Is it illegal if they don't collude?
The but that makes using AI illegal is if they all use a common platform/service.
It's legal if they don't do any communication between the companies. Then nobody can prove that there is collusion. Using AI, that all use the same way to raise the prices and vibe the prices higher as response to the other AI raising prices is even better. Then it's not even any human intent.
Involuntary Colludeslaughter!
Landlords used a common platform to price fix without communication between the companies and that was ruled illegal, it's not quite the same but because of the way public LLMs don't isolate inputs from users, you could argue that if any 2 users input their prices into the same platform they are engaging in collision as the information isn't public.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-reaches-proposed-settlement-greystar-largest-us-landlord-end-its
Really we should just ban all algorithmic price setting.