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thrown away animal-based food (lemmy.ml)

submitted 5 months ago by glitching@lemmy.ml to c/vegan@lemmy.ml

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what's y'alls stance on found, discarded animal-based food?

I'm dumpster diving for the past couple of months. combined with cruising the farmer markets around closing time, I usually score enough food that I have trouble carrying it home. seasonal vegetables and fruit mostly. I know a couple of spots where supermarkets throw away whole loafs of "expired" bread. in the freezer overnight, 7 minutes in the oven at dinner time - perfectly edible.

I've stopped eating meat like five years ago and I abandoned dairy and eggs a year ago. feel fine, lost weight; skin, hair and nails ain't the same but I'll live with it.

occasionally though I come across thrown away, intact meat and/or dairy stuff. like today, almost 5 Kg of some deli meat shit, I imagine it's pink slime inside, haven't opened it. it's past its best use date which don't bother me none. I'm not drawn to it, don't miss the taste or whatever, I'm just bothered by the waste of it.

so I'm not saying I'm gonna be swayed one way or the other but curious what other people think about this. thanks.

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[–] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Veganism is the belief that non-human animal pain and suffering is as valid as human pain and suffering

congratulations you just explained why I basically said its not vegan in a traditional sense, and what OP is thinking about is closer to a sect in vegetarianism. unless you read my intitial post in a completely different way as I kind of explicitly said it isnt veganism.

It doesnt require a vegan to say what OP is saying is not vegan

your definition by the way isn't completely vegan either. as veganism includes not eating any byproduct of an animal, so milk and honey for example, are not vegan, despite it not necessarily doing physical pain and suffering to the animal.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I don't know why you cut out the other half of the sentence as it answers the rest of your post basically:

the right to exercise their own will is a right for all animals

There is no ethical slavery no matter how "well" the slaves are treated. That's why even if it were possible to extract milk from a cow in a completely painless manner the fact that they are property is already at odds with being vegan.

As for your assertion that milk and honey don't cause physical pain and suffering to the animal

for milk: https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/eating-dairy-products-is-not-unethical
for honey: https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/honey-is-not-unethical

A bit more of a visual guide:
https://web.archive.org/web/20250403130922/https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/403444/dairy-industry-cow-life-milk-america

Or just straight up look at the gore yourself:
https://watchdominion.org/

This is exactly why I said that "you have no insight to offer" and "evidently don’t know the first thing about veganism". You have no idea how true that is because you don't even know what you dont know.

[+] Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

i didnt say they didnt cause pain, I said they dont necessarily cause it. they can be collected in a way that does indeed cause it, but its not inherently pain.
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the fact you chose a battle by more or less twisting what I said is not putting you in a good place.

Youre such a terrific moron, like the archetype of a carnist.

A: you refuse to read, here is what I wrote to address that

the right to exercise their own will is a right for all animals

There is no ethical slavery no matter how “well” the slaves are treated. That’s why even if it were possible to extract milk from a cow in a completely painless manner the fact that they are property is already at odds with being vegan.

B: you have to insist on hypotheticals that are at best some edge cases but aren't really relevant to daily consumption.

Even if it were possible to extract milk painlessly (it isn't) and it were possible to do so in an ethical manner (another nonstarter) the fact is that this isn't happening. Why insist on arguing about something that isn't real, but some imagined world where you make the rules how you want? Arguing about spherical cows in a frictionless vacuum is not really relevant in our day-to-day lives.

C: you refuse to read the material you are being spoonfed.

It simply isn't possible to extract milk painlessly and the material I linked explains why. I'd like to see you argue how you would impregnate a cow, get rid of her baby so you can have the milk for yourself in a painless manner. Keeping in mind that being able to control her life in such a manner already is not vegan.

D: you don't consider what actual vegans say.

if there was a piece of a honey comb for example thats just abandoned, would it still be vegan, something abandoned like checks notes ops question.

I already answered this here https://lemmy.ml/comment/21393729 and most other vegans seem to, more or less, agree.

there are always those weird as blurred lines like the debate on whether figs are vegan.

not really. It's very easy "are the animals property or free?". When in doubt ask yourself "what if it were a human?" and there then is your answer.