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As someone who doesn't agree with the death penalty, I feel very conflicted about this. It's the BBC so there isn't a lot of details on how bad this crime is. (I mean corruption of that much is bad regardless, yes, but I just meant specifics). Like, is death really the only best way for this?
To clarify, though, I am an American, and we can't get our pedo, racist,removed, corrupted president to house arrest with everything laid out and well documented, so like I am not judging cause I feel like to do so would be the epitome of ignorance on my part. Just trying to seek understanding.
Edit: Thanks for the responses; I have a lot to chew on
I'm not keen on the death penalty myself but if a society is going to have it I'll respect them a lot more for using it on powerful and privileged people who deliberately hurt large amounts of people than for using it on mentally ill members of the underclass.
Idk, I think the death penalty is a much more appropriate penalty for white collar criminals than most other things. The amount of misery people can cause for nothing more than a number on a bank account, usually by people who never lacked for anything and knew in advance what would happen? That's the sort of shit that can only be prevented when death to oneself is the penalty.
A pederast, a murderer, a rapist won't be deterred by the death penalty and there's no meaningful redress from their deaths. A banker who sees another banker get fucking fried? Bet you he starts behaving a little better for a good while.
Edit: and you better believe rule compliance becomes a priority if the head of your department can get in deep shit for any corruption done under their watch.
i know we have studies on harsher penalties not changing behavior for petty or interpersonal crimes but western countries don't punish corruption much at all so i don't know if there's anything from the academy on whether that applies to spreadsheet crimes. It certainly seems like it should deter, but it seems like it should for burglary too.
Harsher penalties on burglary would just make more burglaries end in murder. The prospect of 25 to life over stolen jewelry would certainly make one less inclined to leave witnesses.
not just the second-order effects. People who are doing crime for survival aren't really affected by penalties, nor are compulsive shoplifters.
It depends on the consequences of the corruption. If it was just typical graft and favoritism then prison and permanent blacklisting from political life is probably more appropriate. If it was looking the other way on safety regulations or the graft measurably caused death and considerable suffering through diverting resources from where they were needed to save lives, then it's murder or manslaughter and there's a point where that is appropriate to punish with the death penalty.
Especially since every decision would be formally on the record, as would its consequences. It's not like the shitshow that is trying to determine guilt at the level of a private individual where there's only circumstantial evidence. Most of the problem with the death penalty is that the legal system is a depraved, fundamentally illegitimate shitshow in the US (and most places) that cannot be permitted to have the authority to murder people based on whatever nightmare logic a christofascist judge decides to allow in court.
i think stable states should be able to not do the death penalty, but on the other hand i really don't care if it's white-collar criminals who had to premeditate and repeatedly double and triple down on what they were doing.
I think it's fine to object to this use of the death penalty as unnecessary while still acknowledging that it's vastly superior to the American system of no penalty for the rich.
Edit: I completely reject the idea that it's inherently "appropriate" to punish anyone with death on some kind of moral basis, even if circumstances (by which I mean instability) makes it pragmatically necessary in some cases for getting rid of people who represent excessive liabilities if the opposition releases them again (which is not China's situation. Still better this than letting him get away with it, I'm not saying it's a profound humanitarian issue or anything.