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Americans have a moral obligation to resist Donald Trump and project 2025 at every turn.

America is a flawed democracy currently being ruled by oligarchs. Stop the backslide! Dont let America become the next Hungary.

America needs to challenge the court rulings of citizens united v. fec and shelby county v. holder, protect the media, implement independent district drawing, and the single transferable vote so they don't end up having people stay home in life-changing elections because they cannot vote for their favourite candidate.

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[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 71 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

He's not entirely wrong. In a democracy we vote for people who (in an ideal world) would regulate assholes like him. In his fascist technocracy he'll be able to do whatever the fuck he wants to the rest of us. So in that sense, sure, democracy can put limits on ultimate freedom™©®

....but we kinda want that because fuckbags like thiel exist.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

He is absolutely fucking wrong. This tech bro libertarian shit is like the textbook definition of bad philosophy where overconfident smooth brains think in broad strokes instead of reducing ideas to first principles.

His definition of freedom simply doesn't exist, and this is an incredibly common trope in right wingers. He believes he is entitled to benefit from society without understanding the process by which those benefits arise. He misunderstands the distinction between "is" and "ought." And even this is an incredibly gentle critique of a person who gives unhinges PowerPoint presentations about the antichrist which he seems to actually believe. The man is loony tunes. Idk what they had in the water at PayPal back in the day, but him and Musk seem to have unlocked an entirely new level of crazy.

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago

Imagine the pure liquid wealth your company accumulates when it takes 2-3% of a large swath of financial transactions on the Internet. It’s like Visa/MasterCard obscene.

Then imagine someone tells you “no”.

[–] snek_boi@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I like that you had the TM C and R.

What democracies do is create freedoms for everyone, true freedoms.

The freedom to choose one’s path of life? Sure! Democracies create that freedom through good, cheap, universal education!

The freedom to be as healthy as possible? Sure! Democracies create that freedom through good, cheap, universal healthcare!

The freedom to have technology help us solve problems? Sure! Democracies create that freedom through effective investments in research and development!

These are just a tase of what democracies do to create true freedom.

[–] hyperhopper@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (6 children)

They don't do this inherently. What is happening in America shows that often people vote to restrict their own freedoms.

[–] yes_this_time@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

But that's being caused by anti democratic forces.

Democratic countries need to keep progressing.

Concentrated power isn't democratic, there needs to be an always on equalizer.

[–] snek_boi@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

If we define democracy as voting, then you’re right. However, to understand what I’m saying it’s important to understand what I mean by democracy. I’m using democracy to mean inclusive institutions that invest in their citizens to increase their capabilities and therefore their freedoms.

And you’re right: America is exceptionally un-democratic. You’re actually doubly right: there are democratic backsliding pressures around the world.

It’s a matter of time to see what the more powerful pressures will be: democracy or authoritarian populism.

The evidence powerfully suggests one answer. If you want to know more about this, check out Christian Welzel’s articles on democracy!

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

America is ranked dead-last on most global lists of western functioning democracies, and for good reason.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

often people vote to restrict their own freedoms.

Yeah, but usually in trade for something else. Gun laws, building code, mandatory driver licensing, having to pay for that soda pop; these are good restrictions we trade for safety, health, and reliable commerce.

I have no idea what Americans are getting out of the restrictions on freedom they've voted into effect recently.

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

I have no idea what Americans are getting out of the restrictions on freedom they’ve voted into effect recently.

Mostly it's supremacist validation fed by self-destructive cultural narrative. Which kind of supremacist depends on the individual.

[–] Signtist@bookwyr.me 0 points 1 day ago

You'd be surprised how many people happily volunteer to suffer so long as they know the people you've convinced them to hate are suffering more.

[–] ZDL@lazysoci.al -1 points 1 day ago

Small flaw in your reasoning here. The USA was never a democracy and, indeed, was designed not to be one. Your Founding Fathers held the masses in contempt and deliberately designed a system that would minimize the masses' voice.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Americans vote within a republic not a democracy. Republics are famously corrupt

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 3 points 1 day ago

A republic is just a state with an elected head of state. It says nothing else about the political system of te country. Nominally the US is a representiative democratic republic. Of course it is no longer either of those things, but it pretended to be so for a long time.

[–] hyperhopper@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

That is all modern "democracies". There are no countries which run on pure democracy.