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Not like esperanto. Everyone becomes filipino basically, but for everything, not just being filipino by itself

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[–] Ember_NE@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Stalin wrote a lot about this. IIRC some marxists at the time thought that national differences could dissapear in favor of internationalism, including having only one language. However, Stalin argued that this was unrealistic in the short term and also detrimental because it would erasue national culture, encouraging sessesionism and also causing the state to supressing minorities, like the tsarists had done, and that thus ultimately the best approach to handling nationaliam and language is to support every culture and its language (including basically reviving languages and making new written ones) and by doing that achieving unity among the working class. China has an essentially equivalent approach to nationalities, minus the formal right to secceed which the Soviet republics had (which is probably a good thing)

[–] TabularTuxedo@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

right to succeed

This was such a terrible idea. Was there any rationale for this at the time?

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 weeks ago

There was no such thing as a formal centralized Soviet Union in the early years following the civil war. If a state wanted to break away there wouldn’t have been a damn thing the central government could have done to prevent that, and the right to secede was presented as a way to show that the Soviet Union wasn’t just a continuation of the Russian empire.

[–] Ember_NE@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago

Like ComradeSalad says, it was partly a recognition of material reality.

The idea in general is that by supporting the rights of nationalities, the contradictions between nationalities lessen, and all workers can join together in the (more or less) unitary workers state. So the point isn't really federalism, but rather democratic centralism/unitarianism through the unity of opposites within the working class. In this context the "right to secede" is a formal right which is never supposed to be used, but which is granted to make republics not want to secede. Although republics had the right to secede, the CPSU tried to support internationalist nationalism and discourage national chauvinism for most of its existence.

The issue is that when the issue of nationalities and the contradictions which it exists with is not handled carefully (which Gorbachov in particular fucked up spectacularly, although IIRC Kruchev and Breshnev could also have done better in this area (room for improvement for Stalin too definetly although he was a pioneer in the correct treatment of nationalities in socialism)) then the theoretical right to secede becomes a political bomb - especially ehen combined with national petite bourgeois elites from the shadow economy and right-deviationist (and disfunctional) economic reforms and political reforms which made politicians only dependent on national constituents.