this post was submitted on 18 Oct 2025
316 points (91.6% liked)
Pragmatic Leftist Theory
487 readers
3 users here now
The neolibs are too far right. The tankies are doing whatever that is. Where's the space for the people who want fully-automated-luxury-gay-space-communism, but realize that it's gonna take a while and there are lots of steps between now and then? Here. This is that space.
Here, people should endeavor to discuss and devise practical, actionable leftist action. Vote lesser evil while you build grassroots coalitions. Unionize your workplace. Participate in SRAs. Build cohesion your local community. Educate the proletariat.
This is a place for practical people to develop practical plans to implement stable, incremental improvement.
If you're dead-set on drumming up all 18,453 True Leftists® into spontaneous Revolution, go somewhere else. The grown ups are talking.
Rules:
-1. Don't be a dick. Racism, sexism, other assorted bigotries, you know the drill. At least try to default to mutually respectful discussion. We're all on the same side here, unless you aren't, in which case kindly leave.
-2. Don't be a tankie. Yes I'm sure you have an extensive knowledge of century-old theory. There's been a century of history since then. Things didn't shake out as expected, maybe consider the possibility that a different angle of attack might be more effective in light of new data.
-3. Be practical. No one on the left benefits from counterproductive actions. This is a space informed by, not enslaved to, ideology. Promoting actions that are fundamentally untenable in the system in question, because they fulfill a sense of ideological purity, is a bad look. Don't do that.
founded 5 months ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
If you just assume no one saying that is being serious, then I see why you might feel that way.
Have you ever spoke with them in good faith and asked what they mean and if they seriously believe revolution is possible under the current material conditions of the US empire? I am sure you can find someone who might say yes to this but it is in no way close to the consensus. I've personally never encountered it
Yes, multiple times. My post did not suggest it was the consensus.
It certainly depicts it as a norm which is where I found disagreement and honestly anyone advocating for that should be talked to and educated instead of shamed through vague posting.
Not really? It just says "the leftists I met online", that's a sample not consensus
And I've tried talking and educating, you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. And this post isn't for them, it's for the Calvins out there.
They're saying that they've literally never met anyone calling for immediate action whilst proclaiming to interact regularly with Hexbears. They're not in good faith.
Fuck off, tankie. I've seen enough of your bootlicking to recognize you.
"Punching left"
Sorry, I don't think that bootlickers for fascist regimes are 'left' just because their favorite fascist regime has a coat of red paint.
lmao
I guess the genocides performed by the USSR and PRC are just Western propaganda, as is the criminalization of homelessness, joblessness, and labor suppression as severe as any capitalist state.
Ah, yes, the PEOPLE'S genocides!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Operation_of_the_NKVD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_operations_of_the_NKVD#National_operations_of_the_NKVD
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
You're nothing but a Nazi in red paint, bootlicker.
"If we don't record anyone as unemployed, there is no unemployment!"
A true Trumpian intellect we have here.
Fucking lol
"Please ignore us disbanding inconvenient unions and gunning down labor protesters"
A round of applause for the PEOPLE'S Fascist Pig here! 👏
"Left punching is when you point out genocide"
"If we stop counting the numbers the numbers go down"
I'm sorry that your only perception of reality is through government propaganda. I'm sure your fellow Nazis can sympathize, though.
"Everyone with a Polish last name is a secret Nazi"
Fantastic work from a Nazi playing apologist for genocide. Sorry, Nazi with a fleck of red paint. I know you lot are insistent about the paint.
The government announcing that unemployment is ended and conveniently unemployment insurance no longer needs to be paid out without letting anyone verify this is not 'on record', but I understand that a fascist bootlicker like you has trouble discerning reality from their favorite pleather sole.
Imagine saying this while repeating the literal Stalinist government line that has long been disproven both by Western sources and studies of the Soviet archives.
Imagine denying genocide, and then saying denying genocide doesn't matter because it was 80 years ago, at the height of the 'socialism' of the anti-proletariat red fascist polity you're defending.
You'd have to be some kind of Nazi to be that deep into bootlicking.
I don't have to strain too hard, my wife is a brown immigrant and I recently armed myself for that exact scenario. That's not the same as just taking to the streets in a half assed, unplanned spontaneous "revolution".
You're free to believe what you want, but I've had this conversation at least a dozen times. Yes I've engaged sincerely, yes I confirmed that that was precisely what they were saying. Your lack of belief does not a strawman make.
Who knows? Maybe they're bots or trolls trying to get leftists to do something stupid, maybe they're naïve kids who took fringe or hyperbolic takes to be more mainstream. They're here though.
These "leftists" aren't any more legitimate than the mainstream commercial nihilists in the original.
I was leaning more toward the latter anyway