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“I’m saying it right now,” Homan said. “There’s still going to be more bloodshed unless they shut their mouth and let ICE enforce the laws that they enacted.”

DHS has acknowledged that neither of the men who have been shot in recent weeks was the target of the ICE operations that led to their deaths.

A witness reported that Guerrero shouted, “I tried to stop” after being shot by an agent while his vehicle moved forward slowly.

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[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 35 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

They get downvoted because they attempt to mock instead of acknowledging reality of having the obstacles of the most powerful, and well funded 3 letter agencies subverting any attempt to enact real change in favor of the working class.

It’s just going to be harder than a smaller country that doesn’t have so many radically different regions.

[–] BlueOysterCultist@lemmy.zip 16 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I’ll take the unpopular point that I think is more relevant: it really isn't that bad for me and likely a lot of other people

My costs are up but I can absorb it, and materially my life isn’t that different. America should 100% buck these fascists, and I think we’re fucked as a country given the bald faced corruption + bigotry, but if my experience holds true for most of the others then it’s still not bad enough to risk what we have.

People have to lose a lot more for things to change.

[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

Yeah, things are degrading in the U.S. for everyone, but some faster than others. It’s easy to see the headlines that amplify the worst parts of America and think that’s life for everyone right now.

It probably will be soon enough, but not enough people are experiencing that quite yet, so that’s why there’s no urgency / mass outrage at the moment.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

"Nice people made the best Nazis. My mom grew up next to them. They got along, refused to make waves, looked the other way when things got ugly and focused on happier things than “politics.” They were lovely people who turned their heads as their neighbors were dragged away. You know who weren’t nice people? Resisters."

Naomi Shulman

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

And that's why it took so long for WWII to happen. We haven't even had a Reichstag fire yet.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

We kind of did on Jan 6. It's just that Trump suspended all of the consequences until his next term after Biden left office.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

So because I don't go around murdering people who vote Republican, I'm a Nazi?

That's a viewpoint that will really win a debate. Also, I'm guessing that makes you a Nazi, seeing as you live in the US and don't seem to be in prison right now.

In the US, we can vote for politicians and we can go to protests and speak out against things we don't like. We can boycott companies and events. Anything more than that risks more than just "making waves." People are being killed for protesting ICE.

The point the person you are calling a Nazi is trying to make is that things aren't bad enough yet that normal people who are just trying to keep their families safe would be willing to commit violent acts. Are you out there doing more than just typing on a keyboard or holding up signs at a protest?

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 13 hours ago

I didn't call you a Nazi, but if you're feeling attacked, maybe take some time to reflect. That said, you seem to be willing to do the short term protections for your family. What about the long term? A decade from now? Two decades?

Myopia is best friends with timidity.

Voting is broken here. With entities like AIPAC and the Epstein class manipulating our system, with politicians too scared to do the right thing, with our antiquated system of representation that has had every loophole exploited, to rely on voting to save us is about as short-sighted as one can get.

I am not in prison. I am, however, doing things and I'm unwilling to write any of it down, even if it's on Lemmy.

No "blue wave" will save us in November if the newly elected officials do nothing to limit their own power, or set term limits, or impeach Trump and find him accountable.

Anything short of an uprising will fall short, and even that is not a guarantee. Meanwhile, people are asking ChatGPT what its favorite color is or for dating advice.