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I'm curious whether calling someone an ultra has a generally agreed upon meaning here.

Not to defend any accused ultras or whatever. Recent post got me thinking about it though. It feels like a very loaded word and using it seems like in-group/out-group differentiation signalling or .. I dunno.

Maybe another way to put it is often when I see the term being used it feels like its serves a similar purpose to the "tankie" label's utility for anarchists and liberals.

I might just be running up against tone parsing issues or something, and so maybe this is just me or a figment of my imagination, but it often seems to limit or shape discussion when it pops up early in a discussion.

Again I'm sure I'm just Wrong about this, but it almost feels like a mild thought terminating cliche at least some of the time.

Not trying to fight with anyone, I'm just curious about the nuances (if there are any) with the term.

What does it mean to you and do you have any thoughts you feel like sharing regarding the role it plays in online leftist spaces?

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[–] thefunkycomitatus@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Historically, from what I understand, it was people who understood theory but sat on the sidelines while Monday morning quarter-backing revolutions. While revolutionaries were out doing stuff, testing ideas, coming up with new theory, the ultras would nitpick every action as wrong. They were always around for a debate and criticism but conspicuously didn't have much to contribute otherwise. They're overly academic about action and dogmatic about theory.

The reason it comes up is because people think they're doing something useful (whether they are or not) and are criticized for it (whether valid or not). It feels like someone being unnecessarily critical of a productive action (whether actually productive or not). Since it's an internet debate and nobody wants to be owned, the person doing the action will never see it as unproductive or the criticism as necessary. The ultra will always want to see the action as unproductive and feel there is nothing harsh about their criticism.

We had a self-proclaimed ultra at one point. They would write paragraphs every week about why ultras are the correct tendency. They were banned several times. I assume they're still around under an alt and learned not to be so obvious. But I also assume people are looking for ultras when criticized because it's the internet and nobody wants to be owned.

[–] JustSo@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

paragraphs every week about why ultras are the correct tendency

That's interesting, so they self identified politically as an "ultra" - do you remember if that was the extent of how they declared their ideology or if they clearly also adhered to a more specific and broadly recognised ideological tendency? It's cool if you didn't commit their screeds to memory haha, just curious if you happen to remember.

I appreciate you posting in any case, thank you.

[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

Folks don't self identify as ultra, but some do identify as 'left communists' with various specific tendencies

[–] thefunkycomitatus@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Leftcom.

Actually, after some searching, I found them. Their last account was not banned.

https://hexbear.net/u/whygodwhy

They had a thread here, but it looks like it got scrubbed because the comm was removed, their comments are still in their post history though: https://hexbear.net/post/128539
Then this one here inviting hexbears to r/ultraleft (lol): https://hexbear.net/post/167374
Then this comment chain in a thread about the mistakes of the USSR: https://hexbear.net/comment/2077278

I also found this person: https://hexbear.net/u/aws0me