Honestly once you start seeing them as edgy kids it just makes detaching from it come naturally. They don't affect me whatsoever. You think starbucks baristas are not workers? That's great buddy you're 14 come back to me when you've had your first work experience. You think Marx was a patsoc because your discord server said so? That's great son but you're 14, you were assigned Sherlock Holmes for English class go read that first to develop some critical reading skills.

Kind of scummy of haz and co to use the free labor of children to do their dirty online work for them.

Forcing them to defend their point and counter-trolling them in the way they troll you also gets them to shut up pretty quickly. Beyond the pre-chewed arguments they get fed on their discords they have nothing, they will bail and try to get their patsoc friends to jump in for them.

I once told one of them he was a paypig for the ACP since haz and co never took base members with them on these photo trips and he quickly stopped replying after that. I can only hope he started thinking about how he was being taken advantage of but who knows. I once told that guy noah or whatever from midwestern marx "no idea who you are or why you feel included in his conversation" lmao. he seems like a huge tool that desperately wants recognition and fame. But to be honest while that was funny, i saw someone in that discussion actually engaging him in theory and forcing him to explain his own assertions and he quickly dipped as he ran out of ways to do his faux "hello friendo!" shtick, so that was much more productive. Noah krachvik is not his real name btw and he keeps lying about where he lives not for any opsec but because he wants to look like a salt-of-the-earth prole.

Their techniques are nothing new, I guess it works on the internet. Facsists do it too, it's the dodge pivot retort. Dodge the argument brought up to you, pivot to another, and retort with your own new argument to move the conversation. When people do that if you counter by preventing them from switching topics they will not know what to say anymore. Otherwise they would not be trying to shift the discussion. Attack your enemy where he is weak, force him to fight on your conditions.