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[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

socialism with am*rican characteristics

what are those am*rican characteristics motherfucker?!?

big-honk

[–] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

what are those american characteristics?

^This. If there was a question that encapsulates everything wrong with the ACP it would be this.

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[–] lil_tank@hexbear.net 40 points 3 weeks ago

"They call us reactionaries for no reason!!"

Instantly uses an ableist slur, proving they are indeed reactionaries

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 38 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The fact they refer to people as "anti-ACP grifters" is very very funny to me.

The entire "organization" is nothing but grifters and feds lol.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 13 points 3 weeks ago

Like they're popular enough to form a grift around to begin with. Bold of them to assume that anyone outside in the real world know who they are at all.

[–] xenautika@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

setting themselves up to be the worst ppl and then playing victim when they're called out, classic

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

saying "the prole.wiki guy" shows they don't engage with detractors whatsoever. They don't even read their own theory so don't expect them to read anyone else.

Once you realize most of them are 14 it all falls into place.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I wish most of them were 14, then they'd actually be able to mature as people.

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Lol some of them might be 16!

I mostly see them on twitter and you certainly have some adults, in the chapters, but if you look at the pictures it's mostly 5 or 6 people per chapter. It's always the same people in the pictures, yet judging from their online presence you'd think ACP is everywhere. I can only assume most of them only like patsocism for the aesthetics or are too young to actually join.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 13 points 3 weeks ago

I haven't bothered to keep track of anything they or any of their regional book clubs have done lately beyond the rare occasion the most suspicious elements of their leadership pop up on my radar, and a few personal people of interest that run in their circles that once in a blue moon also pop up on my radar. Last time I really gave a shit was around the time one of their california members that was a part of their international department who kept in contact with terrorist, separatist, and fascist groups around the world got raided by the feds for exactly that reason. That one gave me a good laugh and I moved back to doing my own work.

[–] Cowbee@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago

The good news is that a large portion are young, and do outgrow it.

[–] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

If one has tips on developing that mental thick skin then please let us know. It's one thing to pontificate, it is another dealing with the onslaught. zoidberg salute 2

[–] CriticalResist8@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly once you start seeing them as edgy kids it just makes detaching from it come naturally. They don't affect me whatsoever. You think starbucks baristas are not workers? That's great buddy you're 14 come back to me when you've had your first work experience. You think Marx was a patsoc because your discord server said so? That's great son but you're 14, you were assigned Sherlock Holmes for English class go read that first to develop some critical reading skills.

Kind of scummy of haz and co to use the free labor of children to do their dirty online work for them.

Forcing them to defend their point and counter-trolling them in the way they troll you also gets them to shut up pretty quickly. Beyond the pre-chewed arguments they get fed on their discords they have nothing, they will bail and try to get their patsoc friends to jump in for them.

I once told one of them he was a paypig for the ACP since haz and co never took base members with them on these photo trips and he quickly stopped replying after that. I can only hope he started thinking about how he was being taken advantage of but who knows. I once told that guy noah or whatever from midwestern marx "no idea who you are or why you feel included in his conversation" lmao. he seems like a huge tool that desperately wants recognition and fame. But to be honest while that was funny, i saw someone in that discussion actually engaging him in theory and forcing him to explain his own assertions and he quickly dipped as he ran out of ways to do his faux "hello friendo!" shtick, so that was much more productive. Noah krachvik is not his real name btw and he keeps lying about where he lives not for any opsec but because he wants to look like a salt-of-the-earth prole.

Their techniques are nothing new, I guess it works on the internet. Facsists do it too, it's the dodge pivot retort. Dodge the argument brought up to you, pivot to another, and retort with your own new argument to move the conversation. When people do that if you counter by preventing them from switching topics they will not know what to say anymore. Otherwise they would not be trying to shift the discussion. Attack your enemy where he is weak, force him to fight on your conditions.

[–] Sanya@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

«Baseless statements like "they want to genocide the homeless"»

Geez, I wonder why.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The homeless in America are like what landlords were in Mao's time.

And the bourgeoisie now is like the peasantry in Mao’s time 😞

Brain melt only the CIA could come up with

[–] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It honestly looks like parody because how bad it is (and then it gets sad real fast when you realise this is for real)

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[–] NotMushroomForDebate@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)
[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 29 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I don't understand how these losers can read any theory and still support nationalism in the imperial core. What do they think lenin meant by social chauvinism?

[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

That's the thing. They don't read. They just regurgitate reddit and twitter posts from their 'Chairman'.

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

who, and i can't stress this enough, is a fucking twitch streamer

[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 19 points 3 weeks ago

And thinks baristas and the unhoused are bourgeoisie lmao

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[–] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Their material conditions as Westerners. The material always comes before the idea.

[–] lib1@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago

the main deterrent of our ideology

I present: the natural consequences of using fancy sounding words despite not knowing what they mean

[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You guys are getting paid?

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[–] ahriboy@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago

ACP going down in a few months.

[–] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

[liberal] culture war psyops

The difference between marxist-leninists and whatever these are is that MLs highlight pinkwashing to attack imperialism and fascism, whereas the ACP highlight it to attack those that don't fit the chauvinist patriarchal mould, and they purposely develop no political toolkit to right this wrong.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 13 points 3 weeks ago

ACP grifters have zero ideological consistency beyond ideological opportunistic right-deviationism, Great American chauvinism -- Великоамериканский шовинизм в том же ключе, в котором Ленин описывал великорусский шовинизм -- petty bourgeoise reactionary radicalism, and red-washing of fascist theory.

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