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That horse kinda left the barn.
I was a goth in high school, like 88-90…because at that time there was no uniform. We were just a bunch of kids who loosely coalesced around some cool experimental music, and were vaguely anti-mainstream. The clubs were an absolute blast. Everybody was welcome. It’s was notably multicultural, and we accepted a lot of refugees from the mainstream queer community that was getting very cookie-cuter and corporate. We were so excited that there was a space where nobody judged you whether you dressed like a prep, were in a wheelchair, were into fetish, etcetcetc
…but fast forward to ~2000 and the scene had evolved into a parody of itself. Boring trance had displaced the experimental music and you had this gross mix of pop-goth and techno…and there was a distinct uniform. If you went to a club and didn’t fit the mold you would be stared at and ostracized. It really sucked, because I loved all the old goth music and the cutting edge industrial music…but I’d have to sit in the corner of the bar by myself getting scoffed at, ignored or gawked at by staff and culture gatekeepers alike. Yes, the scene had also splintered…but going to a hardcore fetish night or listening exclusively to German industrial wasn’t always my thing.
These days it’s just another mainstream identity that’s sold to people and capitalized. Every high school has the requisite amount of “goths” who somehow look exactly the same despite part of the “identity” being individuality.
Goth wasn't strictly a thing in its own time. More of a retroactive and initially often derisive label. Even some of the big hubs, such as limelight, weren't goth specific. Iconic? Absolutely. We were all Shore Leave the day the episode of Venture Brothers aired. And he took one of the brothers to go to the club only to find out it was now a mall. A fucking mall. LOL the last I saw it was a gym.
The 2000s definitely brought about a lot of change, not the least of which lots of us had jobs and kids. Not all of us were unmarried cat herding oddballs. Just the best of us. And these days many of us are retiring. Staying bundled up and warm as we take our medications. Not exactly going to the club. Youth culture is in a different place. Literally, like, often online.
Then there was the mainstream fetishization of aesthetic. The fantasy "goth chick". You know, the one with black lipstick. What sort of music does she listen to? Who knows. It wasn't about that. So then you get a lot of unironically goth clubs that are all about the look and little else. So, sure the clubs are a wasteland.
Shows on the other hand. You still find the culture and acceptance there. Go see Gary, or anything with Andy Dean. It's still here, and will be as long as we are. Introducing new generations, evolving with them.