Translation: "Two Villains, one Goal - How Trump and Putin are attacking Europe"
this post was submitted on 12 Dec 2025
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To the mods: please do not ban the poster from the other instance arguing in favor of the EU!
This is a great learning opportunity for comrades from outside of Europe to see how the average German thinks and just how far removed from reality the mainstream thinking has gotten here. The indoctrination in favor of the EU has almost reached the level of a religion here.
This thread was tough to read and made me sympathize with comrades from the EU. Reading this felt what I usually experience with the pro Yankee liberals/fascists in Latam that openly praise the imperialist boot and brag about being spit on by their "heroes".
Those pro EU bootlickers that are in this thread sound very privileged to the point that they are unable to see the suffering of people outside their own circles(example: the brutality that the pro Palestinian protestors receive from the German police )
From my standpoint, these people will only learn how undemocratic and brutal the EU is when their own material conditions deteriorate to the point that no amount of lies will ever be able to put makeup on it. That reminds me of the pro Milei Argentinian crowd that are feeling the brunt of Neoliberalism. Maybe, european liberals as a whole have to feel that humiliation and destruction done by their rulers through inhumane neoliberalism to wake up.
Just like the post that you shared before, the West must learn a humility bordering on humiliation.
I agree. I also think that privilege plays a large part in this selective blindness.
For me as someone who has seen first hand the effects that the EU has had in a country like Romania, it would be hard to put those idealism glasses back on even if i wasn't a Marxist.
I also understand why some people even from the periphery defend it, because there is also a privileged strata there that benefits from the EU. These tend to be the people who, thanks to their job being connected to a Western company or working in the digital domain, can make "western European wages" while living in a south or eastern European country. These are the people who regularly travel around Europe and have a more cosmopolitan outlook and are fanatical supporters of the European project.
But this is a small minority, while the majority of the working class, and especially those living outside of a handful of big cities, have largely been left behind. It's actually a very similar dynamic to how you have some people with a much more liberal and pro-US outlook in countries in Latin America. Those whose material conditions, their income levels and the way they earn their money, alienate them from the way that the majority of people in their own country live.
And at the same time i've also experienced personally the way many people in a country like Germany (here again not necessarily those at the lower socio-economic levels but those with a higher education and a degree of financial comfort, intelligentsia, labor aristocracy, skilled professionals) can be completely blind to this dynamic and idealize the EU because it works for them, and because the people who they do interact with and talk with from the peripheral countries are precisely those few with the means to afford to travel around a lot and be "citizens of Europe".
The EU also has become this fictional bastion of "antinationalism" and "world openess" and whatever lib fantasy mélange of working bureaucracy dutch bike lane urbanism and law committees is.
Yes, there is a colossal amount of myth-making surrounding the EU. The pro-EU indoctrination starts early in school where, by curriculum, the EU is portrayed exclusively in positive, glorifying terms and a lot of time is devoted to teaching children that the EU is "the best thing since sliced bread", to borrow an American expression.
Political views that are implanted that early in life by an institution that you trust implicitly to accurately teach you about the world can be very hard to break, and a lot of people have formed strong emotional attachments to the EU's mythology as a result. It's modern Germany's version of nationalist-patriotic indoctrination of the youth.
To the extent that they defend it in every topic they come across. From Moldova to the pig lobby in Denmark and homelessness in between. Discussions about the EU starts to show signs of religious fundamentalism.
I don't recall where I heard this, maybe I read it here:
A lack of humility leads to abundant humiliation.