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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Whatever putin could do is inconsequential compared to the wealth and influence the 20 richest people of your empire.

Are you suggesting that $20k in Facebook ads didn't decide the result of a $4B election season?

Sounds like Russian propaganda to me

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (5 children)

It can be two things. Read this or anything else about Cambridge Analytica to get a sense of the difference between what they were doing and the same hack political radio ad hour after hour.

Trump's ties to russia are many and varied, going back forty-plus years. It’s all been documented in Proof of Conspiracy, Mueller found collusion; these are not hypotheticals. It’s a known part of the current befuckdedness.

Is it the ONLY part? No. But it starts there and it stays there.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago

Cambridge Analytica

UK group and Facebook profit maximization is not Russia. Blaming the pure establishment corruption of democracy on Russia is just partisan whining for more establishment warmongering.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Trump’s ties to russia are many and varied

Trump's ties to the Italian Mafia are stronger. He's a second generation fence and money launderer who made a fortune helping to move money out of Eastern Europe back in the 90s.

But he's an American creation who worked on behalf of American institutions. That's why he's tied up with Guliani, Bloomberg, Clinton, and Epstein.

The tunnel vision liberals have with Russia ignores a rich vein of corruption for one of its more salacious and partisan tributaries.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Trump's ties to the Italian Mafia are stronger.

We're probably splitting hairs, but - what? I haven't heard that before but I've heard a LOT about the russian angle. (we seem to converge on Eastern Europe though)

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

what? I haven’t heard that before

It was bigger news back in 2016

The picture shows that Trump’s career has benefited from a decades-long and largely successful effort to limit and deflect law enforcement investigations into his dealings with top mobsters, organized crime associates, labor fixers, corrupt union leaders, con artists and even a one-time drug trafficker whom Trump retained as the head of his personal helicopter service.

The Russia connection was minor by comparison, and largely a result of Trump's status as a lynchpin in NY crime.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I think that DCJ piece is good, and clearly ‘mob’ connections are rife, but outside of that early-80’s wash of Roy Cohn and the ready-mix concrete guys, there’s not a lot more specific to Italian mafia.

I read that Giuliani’s ‘cleanup’ of Italian mobsters allowed in the russians which was duly appreciated. Early 80s is the same time the Kremlin started to keep tabs on Trump, giving him a tour and business opportunities then.

Felix Sater, Michael Cohen, Rybolovlev and others who consistently and repeatedly appear in any honest accounting of his blatantly illegal dealings.

Unger’s account of infiltration also exposes how Trump’s financial entanglements laid the groundwork for this betrayal. In the 1980s, as Trump struggled with debt from failing casinos and overextended real estate ventures, Soviet-linked financiers appeared, flush with cash.

Deals involving Trump Tower properties drew in shadowy buyers connected to Russian organized crime and intelligence fronts. Even when Western banks deemed him too risky, new Russian-linked money never seemed to dry up. Each transaction pulled him closer into Moscow’s orbit.

By the time the Soviet Union collapsed, Russian oligarchs kept the pipeline open, ensuring that Trump’s business empire would survive—and remain beholden to foreign backers whose first loyalty was to the Kremlin. (via)

So while there certainly were ties to Italian mafia, his later business and almost all of his political life is awash in russian mob ties. Given that russia is run by mafias-within-mafias that’s not so surprising, is it.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

outside of that early-80’s wash of Roy Cohn and the ready-mix concrete guys

The article goes significantly farther than ready-mix concrete. Trump was in tight with the Gambino family, among other mob affiliates and organizations.

I read that Giuliani’s ‘cleanup’ of Italian mobsters allowed in the russians which was duly appreciated. Early 80s is the same time the Kremlin started to keep tabs on Trump, giving him a tour and business opportunities then.

It ties out with a shift in policy from Cold Era Italy being a major bridge between NATO agencies in the West and their informants/operators in the East. Post-collapse, Sicily was old news since you could march your goons directly into St. Petersburg and Moscow to commence the looting.

But Trump's roll as a money launderer and fixer remains consistent during the transition.

So while there certainly were ties to Italian mafia, his later business and almost all of his political life is awash in russian mob ties.

His primary ties were to US and German lenders, with black market business interests using his properties to clean their ill-gotten gains. The flood of money and refugees coming out of Eastern Europe following the post-Soviet crash changed the composition of his criminal clients. His roll in legitimizing the looting through financialization did not.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago

It could be two things! But it isn't lol

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Cambridge Analytica is a good place to start. Previously:

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Those archive.today links didn’t work for me, but that could just be me. The “studies” are opinions otherwise and if you want to pick one, I’ll kick it apart but I’m not going to go through all of them.