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[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

To me, we can say that different things would result in different outcomes.

Here, if eve hadnt eaten of the fruit, they would still be in the garden of Eden. I don't know if you've looked around but this isn't the garden of Eden and there are more than 2 people in existence. To me, that's actually different to what we have now.

I'm sorry you disagree with that.

[–] mr_satan@lemmy.zip 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Whose to say that only Eve could have eaten the fruit. Maybe Adam would've eventually be tempted, or maybe they would've left on their own, or maybe they would've been banished for something else. There's way too many unknowables to say that something could or couldn't happen.

Having a sample of one doesn't say much about the infinite set possibilities. So saying things would be different is just wrong. They could be different and most probably would, but there is no way to guarantee it. It's unprovable.

This is all assuming we accept the faith based interpretation. If we do not Adam and Eve are just as fictional as Harry Potter and Frodo Bagins, and say nothing about what could've happened.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I said eve because she is the one who ate it. It doesn't matter if it was Adam or eve, only that it was eaten.

There was only one rule in the story. So, no, there was nothing else for which they could be banished.

Honestly, if you really need to die on the hill that completely different things could result in the exact same outcome, despite the literal deviations, then be my guest.

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If we're taking God's word for it all, then what is now was the preordained outcome of that chess master's plan.

For all we know a biblically accurate God is doing Xanatos Speed Chess to ensure that the current state of the world is the one true outcome regardless of what happens.

Besides, as we all know from science - there are a lot of different ways to end up with the same end result.

[–] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I mean, if you cast your mind back to the story, God had no idea that they had done it, until he saw them. This was yahweeh before he was later made into the omnificent version. He fully intended to keep them there, as is.

As we also all know from science, the more different variables we add, the less likely that will be. Even just a few, let alone the billions of tiny changes it would be if it happened even a day later. It would like the butterfly effect but infinitely greater.

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

There are some, perhaps somewhat unorthodox, Christian theologies that hold that the Old Testament stuff and what was allowed to happen as more of the planning and scheming of God to reach the desired end goal. Including temporarily limiting itself to order to get there.

Lol that wild. Thanks for letting me know.