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On December 4th, Rwanda's Paul Kagame and the DRC's Felix Tshisekedi signed the Washington Accords for Peace and Prosperity (pictured above). Trump boasted that he was settling a war that had gone on for decades, and remarked, idiosyncratically, "[...] and now they’re going to spend a lot of time hugging, holding hands [...]"

A few days later, the M23 militia (backed by Rwanda) advanced into Uvira, a city near the DRC's eastern border with Burundi and a major commercial and strategic location in the region. Burundi, although a small country, is a significant ally to the DRC and has sent thousands of soldiers to aid them during conflicts; this offensive by M23 aims to cut off a direct route between the two, though they do still share quite a long border over Lake Tanganyika. Tens of thousands of civilians (possibly up to 200,000) fled as M23 approached.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 30 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I've got a question for @MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net. How realistic do you think it is that Venezuela lights up the oil fields like Iraq did?

In 2003 it successfully stopped air operations in the area of the oil fires due to dangerous conditions after a US helicopter flew straight into the ground if I recall correctly.

I'm not even sure where exactly the fields are located, haven't looked into it much so geographically it might not be useful. But the US do seem to go to quite a large amount of effort to launch their operations in specific weather conditions so it must still matter? Do cruise missiles still use landmarks and visual contours of the land to plot their flights? Visibility would also matter for them too if they still do?

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The refineries and oil fields will likely only be sabotaged if the war looks lost for Venezuela. They will need them up to make money if they win, but will want to make it as painful and expensive as possible to get back online if they lose.

Also, Iraq didn't burn their own oil fields in the Gulf War, they burned Kuwait's oil fields. It's a lot easier to do when it's not your own infrastructure

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 31 points 5 days ago (1 children)

If you're taking about using smoke to try obscure guidance and targeting systems, most modern cruise missiles have infrared sensors nowadays, which can see through most types of smoke. You'd need smoke that actually heats up the air (think white phosphorus) to obscure those kind of sensors. And if you're up against a weapon with a radar seeker, like an SDB-II, it can "see" through all kinds of smoke, weather and dust, so that wouldn't be a factor. Smoke could work against laser guided weapons though.

Lots of smoke could make low altitude flights by helicopters and tilt rotor aircraft much more difficult, and when combined with man portable air defence systems, it could be part of a strategy to deny low altitude operations, like a helicopter led operation to seize an oil facility. Like the helicopter led operations to seize oil tankers now. But that comes with destroying or damaging the facility, and evacuating it, otherwise soliders and civilians operating in it's vicinity would be subject to toxic fumes.

Weren't most of the oil wells burnt in Kuwait by retreating Iraqi forces during the 1991 Gulf War? I know that they also burnt oil wells in 2003, but it wasn't anywhere near as much as 1991.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 17 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

it could be part of a strategy to deny low altitude operations

Low altitude operations... Like the kind that attempt to avoid radar?

Weren't most of the oil wells burnt in Kuwait by retreating Iraqi forces during the 1991 Gulf War? I know that they also burnt oil wells in 2003, but it wasn't anywhere near as much as 1991.

https://youtu.be/pNYnhk_6YRY?t=2183

At 36:24 this video discusses an event in one of the initial helicopter assaults, 4 marines and 8 british royal marine commandos died when their helicopter crashed into the ground, this occurred immediately after oil fields were lit. The mission was aborted as a result.

Media reports from the time (and investigation afterwards) claim it was the mechanical failure of the helicopter but I'm not buying that, these helicopters can still safely land without power. Maybe a combination of things occurred but still... It's enough to cause operational problems large enough to abort missions.

...all of this of course hinges on where the fields even are in Venezuela. I can't find reliable info on that, search engines are polluted with useless media reports. But if they're in any kind of useful geographical position there's probably still some use in doing this?

Media will frame it as "scorched earth" and "the Maduro regime preventing anyone from having it" but there are real tactical reasons for doing this I feel.

[–] MarmiteLover123@hexbear.net 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Low altitude operations... Like the kind that attempt to avoid radar?

Not really in a US context. They have 22 F-35s in Puerto Rico now, and are likely operating stealthy RQ-170 drones in and around Venezuela given a recent OPSEC failure around that. That's more operational stealth manned aircraft and stealthy drones at full mission capability flying around Venezuela than pretty much every Air Force in the world except for China's, Japan's and Australia's. If the US goes in, it will be at medium to high altitude with these stealth aircraft. Denying low altitude operations would be about making it difficult for the US to operate helicopters, tilt rotor aircraft and lower altitude close air support platforms like the AC-130J Ghostrider gunship.

all of this of course hinges on where the fields even are in Venezuela. I can't find reliable info on that, search engines are polluted with useless media reports. But if they're in any kind of useful geographical position there's probably still some use in doing this?

Regardless of where they're located, it can slow down or prevent seizing the oil facilities themselves for a while at least. It is very much scorched earth though.

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago

That is very interesting.

Useless for Caracas but that is a natural barrier to helicopter operations covering the east of the country.

[–] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

From my understanding a lot of the major oil fields are quite a ways away from Caracas, where most of Venezualas defenses are. Like, most of the oil tankers are either way on the Eastern or Western sides of the country, with only a couple picking up oil from the capital's port.