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Buy your garbage veggies from Mal-Wart then and don't support your local CSA or local economy and don't complain when all you have left is a Mal-Wart job in a Mal-Wart economy town
my local farmers use immigrant workers on starvation wages to harvest their crops. is that what you mean by supporting the local economy?
I live in farm country, and pay for farm labor is usually very fair. It's seasonal work in remote locations, but the pay isn't bad at all. Also most the migrant farm laborers only stay for the season, that is if it isn't too hostile for them to try working the season in the first place.
Strange, what mysterious land is this where farm laborers are paid fairly. I have traveled to every continent and 40+ countries visiting thousands of farms. Never have I found a place where farm laborers were paid fairly. They are always the abused serfs of the society working long hours for little pay.
I have seen human suffering in vast quantities but never a fair wage.
Yes capitalism is a harsh load of ass everywhere, but the farm jobs I'VE WORKED, aren't lower pay than other jobs available in capitalism. They tend to be better than average, and farms tend to raise the offer year to year as they are straining for more labor.
Your personal experience where you live is not how it is everywhere and is not everyones experience.
Then the same logic should be applied to the personal experience conveyed above that one
The point of the original reply was to point out that farmers markets and their pricing aren’t always the ethical choice, and its dependent on where you live. You’re saying “no, it always is, because I live in a farm community and it is here.”
Two local people shared different local experiences and I'm not sure why you think either is more valid than the other.
This was exactly my point. Thank you
Because one guy is pointing out that farmers markets arent ethical everywhere and the other guy is trying to invalidate that.
There are some places where they are not ethical.
There are some places where they are.
They're both actually saying the same thing. I don't understand how two people saying the same thing could possibly be invalidating each other.
Uhhh...can you point to where I said that?
I meant the guy i replied to originally.
...can you point to where the guy you replied to originally said that? Because that didn't happen, either.
The other person started with "my local" you started with stating you live in farm country and most do this. Implying you are correcting the other person to state what is the norm when it's not. There are even documentaries about the slave labor of immigrants and their children.
You didn't directly say it, but your words are implying this is what is normally is.
I am a different person than that person. Also I disagree with your logic in regards to what they said, because that definitely isn't what I took away from it
My bad I misread the name. And that's fine to disagree, but when I read "I live in farm country and this is what actually happens..." I read that as someone who is trying to come across as a subject matter expert attempting to provide clarity and set an expectation of what is the norm and what isn't.
In this case their attempt fails because we know most farms are actually exploiting immigrants. Which is directly contrary to the other person's statement that most farms just have some seasonal immigrants labor. Something they actually did say.
How do you know "most" farms are exploiting immigrants?
Indeed. But 'starvation' wages aren't typical in migrant farm work.
“Starvation” wages is a term that gets thrown around as hyperbole. I guess “undervalued for the amount of labour put in at a brutal level compared to the local average” would be more appropriate, but doesn’t roll off the tongue quite as well.
Most farmers market sellers are also selling to mainline grocery stores and restaurants. You have to be incredibly small time to exclusively sell at market stalls every week or two.
Farmers markets are the perfect place to offload produce that is:
Too perishable to ship very far
Too "ugly" to sell to a distributor or store
Brand new to the market and/or limited run (experiments/new hybrid products etc.)
That last one especially is where farmers markets shine. Producers can connect directly with customers and get immediate feedback. Customers tend to be more interested/knowledgeable in the food/ag scene. They're a great opportunity for producers to do some hands-on "market research" and test new stuff. The local stores that are "with it" and actually care about such things will also send their reps there to connect directly with producers and scout out the next new hotness in produce.
Oh please. Charging a premium for locally grown food is no less a capitalism based endeavor than "Mal Wart". Presenting it as a failing on someone that complains about an unnecessarily high price is also very on brand. Ugh I'm so tired of people.
How dare people go to a grocery store.