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[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're getting me wrong - I don't think anyone should be proud to be anything they didn't put effort into. All I want is consistency.

[–] SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yet you specifically went after a particular group that's consistently marginalized. I might have believed what you're claiming had you mentioned multiple examples, but you didn't.

[–] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I can mention multiple examples if you like.

  • white pride
  • black pride
  • straight pride
  • trans pride
  • gay pride
  • Chinese pride
  • cis pride

All are not anything to be proud of in themselves, but only when society makes it take effort to be that.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Majority/minority status has a lot to do with it.

Chinese pride for the country of China? Ethnic nationalism. Chinese pride in a city like Chicago where they're a small minority - well that's a different beast entirely. Because again, "pride" is about visibility, it's the opposite of "shame." And Shame has been used as a cudgel for a long time - on minorities, not on majorities, despite white people's persecution complex.

Swap the word "pride" for "visibility" and your argument is dead.

Queer visibility ≠ ethnic nationalism.