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They use them where they need them.
A tank alone is almost useless, it's big, loud, has poor visibility and big difficulties to engage close soft targets. It shows it's worth though in a combined arms scenario with (mechanised) infantery, artillery and in the best case air support.
You are right but it is fascinating how this is rapidly changing too...
Modern main battle tanks have gotten progressively quieter. Also emissions signatures are being reduced electric drivetrains being a massive leap forward for the stealth potential of armor. They named it a Leopard not a Bear or Rhino for a reason...
Modern main battle tanks have superb thermal and night vision optics. The CROWS system on an Abrams is like the turret and sensor suite of an attack helicopter bolted on top, this is in addition to the seperate main gun optics.
Systems like the Bullfrog counter uav automated machine gun and PERCH uav launch system that integrate easily onto main battle tanks such as the Abrams tanks position the "western" tank as a co-interlocking platform with unmanned vehicles in a way no other platform can rival.
A tank alone is still useless but it is anything but a legacy platform like the way people say, it is the armored control room that also happens to be located inside the big armored cannon.
And of course they gave Ukraine all that modern stuff... Not
Yeah the US didn't even want those Australian ones donated, it is pathetic.
I mean how about Saudi Arabia or Egypt too? They have a couple thousand between them... not that I would expect them too especially before the US gave more but they have A LOT.