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Trump has always wanted us to leave NATO. I think we're going to get expelled soon with the direction we're going now.
The EU needs the US because of Ukraine. Their defense industry will take years to develop. Even after, US Nato involvement is free money that the EU doesn't have to spend.
Besides, the US has been invading and overthrowing countries for decades without NATO saying anything.
Even the blatant 2003 Iraq War was only France refusing their airspace. There was nothing from the EU about dissolving NATO because of US imperialism.
Do you think the EU is going to take it on the chin when Trump occupies Greenland?
nope. the US should be booted, Ukraine falls, and can blame it ON the US. fast forward and a generation later a cohort of pissed off MS Flight Sim enthusiasts will provide us with another day to “never forget.”
Kind of gross that you fantasize about this sort of thing.
its literally history
Okay...?
Kind of gross that you fantasize about repeating history where thousands of civilians die.
EDIT: Look, maybe your intention is that you're not advocating for this outcome but acknowledging the possibility? But the way I read it sounded like you wanted it to happen, as many Tankies unironically do.
i’m showing the parallels to history as history does tend to rhyme doesn’t it.
You didn't deny it
what was i accused of or asked to deny?
I would like you to deny that you would enjoy history repeating itself, if that is the case.
oh. i can answer that - I do not know if i could enjoy it. I do know it would be as deserved as the prior examples and I would be just as embarrassed to be american as I was during the other examples.
A lot of people are comparing this to the Iraq War, but the thing is the USA had to drum up evidence to provide to US Congress and to the UN and NATO before it ever tried entering Iraq. Bush, Cheney, and the CIA came up with pictures of Aluminium Tubes and claimed they were for developing Nuclear Weapons (supposedly they were actually for Hydro-electric).
What Trump has done is far from anything that a US President has ever done. Do not normalize this.
It wasn't normal when gwb did it. The shit wing of the party voted for it then and they'll happily go along with it now for the exact same reasons. I realize he didn't endorse harris, but trying to rehabilitate the reputation of a war criminal like you're doing here isn't going to get him to endorse newsom either.
Fuck off trying to normalize the crimes of the Trump admin.
I'm not. I despise gwb even more than you want his approval.
"I'm not normalizing Trump's crimes, I'm just saying they're normal if you ignore the fact that every other president followed rules." You're a buffoon.
"I'm not normalizing gwb's crimes, because he's dreeeeeamy"
NATO is literally just another name for the American military. Maybe you're joking. But, if you're not, you really don't understand NATO.
It's like saying "Germany will be removed from the EU". It's literally the heart of it. If America leaves NATO it basically stops existing in any form of what it ever was.
Sure. You could still call it NATO. But it would be like calling McDonalds by the same name if you removed all the non vegan entries from the menu.
The US will never be expelled from NATO unless the US decides it's time to dissolve NATO for its own political interest.
It was 21 years between WW1 and WW2. I could see the EU rearming over the next 20 years such that the US becomes irrelevant.