this post was submitted on 04 Jan 2026
309 points (98.4% liked)

Progressive Politics

4338 readers
172 users here now

Welcome to Progressive Politics! A place for news updates and political discussion from a left perspective. Conservatives and centrists are welcome just try and keep it civil :)

(Sidebar still a work in progress post recommendations if you have them such as reading lists)

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

What would Donald Trump have to do for the U.S. media to frame what he is doing in Venezuela as an act of war?

This isn’t a rhetorical question. It’s an actual inquiry, the pursuit of which can reveal a lot about how U.S. media’s default posture is state subservience and stenography. In the past few months, President Trump has committed several clear acts of war against Venezuela, including: murdering — in cold blood — scores of its citizens, hijacking its ships, stealing its resources, issuing a naval blockade, and attacking its ports.

Then in a stunning escalation on early Saturday morning, the administration invaded Venezuela’s sovereign territory, bombing several buildings, killing at least 40 more of its citizens, kidnapping Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and his wife from their bed, and announcing they will, henceforth, “run” the country.

And yet none of these acts of brazen aggression, violence, and violations of international law have, in any sustained or meaningful way, been referred to as acts of war, a coup, or invasion in U.S. mainstream media reporting.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] AreaKode@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Trump has always wanted us to leave NATO. I think we're going to get expelled soon with the direction we're going now.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (3 children)

The EU needs the US because of Ukraine. Their defense industry will take years to develop. Even after, US Nato involvement is free money that the EU doesn't have to spend.

Besides, the US has been invading and overthrowing countries for decades without NATO saying anything.

Even the blatant 2003 Iraq War was only France refusing their airspace. There was nothing from the EU about dissolving NATO because of US imperialism.

[–] Goodeye8@piefed.social 8 points 2 months ago

Do you think the EU is going to take it on the chin when Trump occupies Greenland?

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

nope. the US should be booted, Ukraine falls, and can blame it ON the US. fast forward and a generation later a cohort of pissed off MS Flight Sim enthusiasts will provide us with another day to “never forget.”

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Kind of gross that you fantasize about this sort of thing.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Okay...?

Kind of gross that you fantasize about repeating history where thousands of civilians die.

EDIT: Look, maybe your intention is that you're not advocating for this outcome but acknowledging the possibility? But the way I read it sounded like you wanted it to happen, as many Tankies unironically do.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i’m showing the parallels to history as history does tend to rhyme doesn’t it.

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] flandish@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

what was i accused of or asked to deny?

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I would like you to deny that you would enjoy history repeating itself, if that is the case.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

oh. i can answer that - I do not know if i could enjoy it. I do know it would be as deserved as the prior examples and I would be just as embarrassed to be american as I was during the other examples.

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A lot of people are comparing this to the Iraq War, but the thing is the USA had to drum up evidence to provide to US Congress and to the UN and NATO before it ever tried entering Iraq. Bush, Cheney, and the CIA came up with pictures of Aluminium Tubes and claimed they were for developing Nuclear Weapons (supposedly they were actually for Hydro-electric).

What Trump has done is far from anything that a US President has ever done. Do not normalize this.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It wasn't normal when gwb did it. The shit wing of the party voted for it then and they'll happily go along with it now for the exact same reasons. I realize he didn't endorse harris, but trying to rehabilitate the reputation of a war criminal like you're doing here isn't going to get him to endorse newsom either.

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fuck off trying to normalize the crimes of the Trump admin.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm not. I despise gwb even more than you want his approval.

[–] FiniteBanjo@feddit.online 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"I'm not normalizing Trump's crimes, I'm just saying they're normal if you ignore the fact that every other president followed rules." You're a buffoon.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

"I'm not normalizing gwb's crimes, because he's dreeeeeamy"

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

NATO is literally just another name for the American military. Maybe you're joking. But, if you're not, you really don't understand NATO.

It's like saying "Germany will be removed from the EU". It's literally the heart of it. If America leaves NATO it basically stops existing in any form of what it ever was.

Sure. You could still call it NATO. But it would be like calling McDonalds by the same name if you removed all the non vegan entries from the menu.

The US will never be expelled from NATO unless the US decides it's time to dissolve NATO for its own political interest.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It was 21 years between WW1 and WW2. I could see the EU rearming over the next 20 years such that the US becomes irrelevant.