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Yes, I am vote shaming. You don't seem to understand that you had two options. Harris could have been the second shittest candidate to ever run for the office and she still would have been a preferable choice. I think that by failing to oppose mask-off fascism in this admittedly tiny but still quite meaningful way, you do bear some small amount of blame for the state of things.
To wit: If you couldn't hold your nose and vote for a bad candidate to stop the candidate who everyone knew would be much worse, I do not want to form a coalition with you and I certainly do not want to climb into a trench with you.
Actually, I didn't get any options because I live in a red state and my vote doesn't count. Stop pretending we have democracy.
You will never be the swing voter, but the only way your vote doesn't count at all is if you don't cast it. The republicans have fought for half a century to suppress voter turnout, and sadly it has worked. Throwing up your hands and saying "well, if they don't want me to vote I suppose I simply will not vote" is worse than useless.
Throwing your vote into a hungry pit is also worse than useless. Trump didn't even get a majority! President 49.9 enjoys power solely because the electoral system is anti-democratic and doesn't do runoffs, and he only won the first time because of the electoral college. He attempted a fucking coup and we didn't put him in prison, and as a result Jan 6th is the most successful US political movement in my lifetime. This country is fucked, and it's clear Republicans have no plans to allow any electoral input ever again.
Will there even be midterms? Who knows! It's time to think about what you'll do when you can't vote anymore.
This is what grinds my gears about getting into discussions with people who take your position. I do not have to make apologies for the undemocratic first-past-the-post system, or the undemocratic electoral college. Had more people voted, the fix would not have worked. Rigged elections can be overwhelmed, especially when they are being attacked from the outside.
I am thinking about what I'll do when I can't vote anymore. And it does not involve common cause with people who do not understand basic strategy.
The vast majority of US citizens did not vote for Harris. Are you going to write off a majority of the country?
Well they're not gonna do anything anyway, so I might as well.
That's 71.4% of the country you're writing off. You're setting yourself up to lose.
A lot of the protesters in the streets are people who don't vote for Harris and you have to recon with that. Voting is merely one tactic among many, there are lots of ways to be involved in politics. The fact that someone disagrees with you about a single tactic doesn't mean they're irrelevant, it just means you have to find common ground in other ways.
Or we're all going to die.
We're all going to die. We were already all going to die. We signed our own death warrant when we knowingly allowed omnicidal fascists to take control of the most efficient death machine mankind has ever devised. Or maybe not, history is weird. Maybe a meteor evaporates DC and the country balkanizes. The only thing I'm sure of is that there's no way out of this that involves a glorious uprising of the organized left. We couldn't organize our way out of a paper bag.
You are still making the better candidate argument. Rather ad nauseum too.
That argument is superceded by knowing the lesser of argument would fail, you chose it anyway.
You chose a failed strategy, now are blaming everyone else, rather insufferably at that, assuming peoples' votes to further obscuring the issue.
You helped the republicans win more than the maga voters.
I'm not sure where you are getting this delusion that I chose any sort of strategy. She was a shit candidate. If I could have stopped them from anointing her, I would have. They didn't ask me. My best option -- everyone's best option -- was still to vote for her, because the alternative was worse.
Yet you aggressively pass the buck for those that did force her, blaming everyone else?
So the same people are in charge to do it again.
I don't believe you either, I bet you yelled down everyone advocating for a winning candidate and or a winning strategy. If you believed the establishment in blaming voters for their doomed strategy, you trusted them to know what they are doing.
Take some responsibility, you knew or should've known people would not choose the lesser of two evils indefinitely, especially with the country ratcheting so hard to the plutocracy. As if the status quo was acceptable at this point. How divorced are you from reality?
I can't take you seriously, man. You don't appear to understand how power works, or how movements work, or how organizations work. You will never convince me of this idea that somehow not voting for the lesser of two evils in the general would have improved where we find ourselves right now. I will never convince you that Harris, flawed status-quo neolib that she was, would have been much less bad than unrepentant fascism. This conversation is a waste of my time, and yours (however much that's worth). Have a good day.
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I didn't read that drivel. Projection if I've ever seen it. You are hopeless if 2024 didn't wake you up.
Bruh I don't think they're the hopeless one in this discussion. 🙄
No, I am sure it's the one defending the democratic establishment that is in the right! gtfo.
It woke me up. People like yourself are dead weight and your type outnumbers my type in the left. So I'm riding out the end of days in hedonism. Going to fuck, drink, and play video games when I'm not working. Maybe save some money instead of donating or contributing to see if I can ride this shit out in some small way.
I canvassed for Harris because of the threat Trump's second term posed. I risked losing my job by hammering on about how people need to vote to keep him out of office. I finally fully destroyed a number of family relations by bringing up Trump enough times.
And after all that the establishment liberals failed and the leftists don't fucking care enough to prevent fascists from winning. They both suck.
That doesn't mean I'm going to fucking die in a stupid doomed revolution, holy shit. How fucking delusional.
That the US population is so astoundingly stupid as to let Trump win a 2nd god damned time means a majority of people are not worth fighting for. And the people worth fighting for are screwed no matter how hard I try because people like you drag us into hell.
So go ahead and not vote this year. Or 2028. Or hell vote for Trump. I don't give a fuck anymore because it hardly matters. The poster you were talking to seems to still care but I think they're wasting their time. We're already doomed, and 2024 proved it. Even if a democrat wins, it'll just be anti-incumbent bias and a republican fascist will be right in office again in 2032. The US is an absolute sea of retards.
I didn't read that drivel past the first sentence. Typical, projecting onto your victims, in this case those trying to get a winning strategy.
The strategy of sitting on the sidelines because Kamala didn't promise you a fucking pony? How well is that working out for you?
Why would strategy matter anymore?
You... already used that line.
Stop refusing to answer the question honestly and I would've stopped repeating it.
But now we can stop, because absent an argument with merit, considering I reject everything you think now without addressing the original question, I will ignore you.
You refused to read that comment past the first sentence, how do you know they didn't answer the question honestly or had a meritless argument?