THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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We need all the angles. Even this one it is hard to tell what is going on.
It’s clear this dude didn’t deserve to die though. These fuckers are out here doing exactly what they are meant to do.
Yeah. Unfortunately I've seen about 4 angles and this is the best as far as I can tell.
Lady in Pink's video is pretty damn clear
Yeah, it's about as good as this one, but I think you see the victims hands more and more clearly see one of the ICE goons take the handgun away (from his belt, not his hands) before the shots.
It almost looks like the guy in gray accidentally fired a shot into the ground when he walked away that set the others off .
Edit: which obviously means jack shit in relation to the entire killing.
The angle they have on Crimes of ICE shows this, too. Guy runs off with a gun to the ground, fires, then looks around like "Oh shit".
Can you ID a particular officer (coat colour), and the version of the incident that you saw this? I've been going through the multiple versions trying to figure out who first discharged their firearm but aren't seeing what you are.
He's the one running toward the camera in the link I had at around the 21 seconds mark before running off to the right of the camera-man. He's wearing a light gray coat and a similar colored baseball cap.
I see him now, I've been reviewing comments on other threads and reviewing the clips. It appears as though he may have been the one who first discharged a firearm; https://media.thelemmy.club/rapidsave.com_3rd_angle_of_todays_shooting-rqrfifu9mcfg1.mp4
In watching the above clip on a 0:02 repeat before the first firearm retort, and can just barely make out distortion extending out from the muzzle in the middle of the frame (0:39-0:40). I think that Grey Coat ICE may indeed have fired the first round, setting the rest of the event in motion.
I dont see the victimz handgun...
Watch the gray coat that runs away from the scene as shots go off.
I've looked at multiple angles, and Grey Coat (gray ballcap, blue jeans, tan boots) doesn't appear to be the initial shooter. The clip here: https://crimesofice.org/media/6975325496c07.mp4 immediately before the first rapport of gunfire does not show either muzzle flash or observable slide action from/on his pistol. I think that it was from someone still inside the dogpile.
Yeah, I'm just saying gray coat disarmed him is all
Oh shit, that tan object that spills out of the dogpile, that was Pretti's pistol (highlighted for context)? I'd assumed that it was some miscellaneous piece of kit from one of the ICE goons that had been knocked loose.
No. I think it's the pistol that gray coat was holding as he ran.
Ah, sorry, I think that I misunderstood. You think that ICE Grey Coat collected the pistol that had been disarmed from Mr. Pretti? I was under the impression that he was holding his service weapon. I'm watching the above clip on a 0:02 repeat before the first firearm retort, and can just barely make out distortion extending out from the muzzle in the middle of the frame (0:39-0:40). I think that he may indeed have fired the first round, setting the rest of the event in motion.
I don't know if he fired it or not. But watch, the guy in the gray coat goes into the pile and in this video you can see very clearly that both hands are empty. I see at no point that he reaches for his holster. He leaves with a gun.
That would seem to track as things stand now. I was thinking that he'd simply drawn his sidearm, but it makes much more sense for him to have grabbed Mr. Pretti's pistol once he'd been disarmed.
oh shit
https://lemmy.world/post/42107309
Here you go. Even still, can’t tell why they pulled out a gun.
Yeah that one's good too. Gotta be a higher quality version somewhere.
The closest for sure, you can see her moving back and forth on the sidewalk across the street in the first video filmed from inside the donut shop (woman in pink coat).
The Gestapo thugs kidnapped witnesses and have already very likely destroyed their evidence