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ICE murdered that man.
From here we have two paths:
One: Civility is eventually restored to government and these people are tried and convicted for their crimes.
Two: All out civil war.
We will not let ICE, Trump or any of these Nazis complete their agenda.
Respectfully, that's an outcome, not a path to get there.
The MAGA shitheads won't just give up and let themselves be prosecuted. They won't stop appointing judges, they won't stop cheating on elections, they won't stop manipulating media, and they won't stop harassing, intimidating, and killing their opposition until someone makes them.
There's a third option: people don't resist and the regime does whatever it wants.
So far we've chosen that option.
Glad I could fix that for you.
How's that going so far? You have a 34 time convicted felon for a president sending his fascist goon squads out to murder people in the streets and none of your precious fucking lawyers have done jack shit about it.
Oh, well next time you're wrong by someone and dont immediately get justice; you're absolutely justified jumping to violence... /s
Violence is always justified against fascists; it is self defense.
Violence without organization and strategy is counterproductive.
I may agree with you if over the past 5 years the term "fascist" hadn't been deluted more than a dive bar's $0.50 draft beer.
These are armed, masked government goons slaughtering civilians in the streets in a widespread terror campaign orchestrated by your criminal warlord president wherein various people labeled "undesirables" by your fascist government are disappeared to concentration camps and "deported" to prisons in other countries they have no connection to.
If Hell existed, you would meet all your German pals in the deepest, darkest, coldest layer.
10/10 exaggeration of the circumstances; and the situations you're describing are being exasperated by the population illegal obstructing legal law enforcement operations. You're making it sound like Vlad the Impaler raised Hitler and his Nazi army from the dead and they're roaming the streets eating liberal babies.
Again, your time to fight the government is in the courts. If you want change, fight them in the courts. If you want violence and conflict then keep up the obstruction.
There is no exaggeration, it is a sober recount of the facts of the situation we're currently in. This is how history will record this period, and you will be one of the many nameless fascists condemned by future generations.
It's not sober at all, it's an incredibly recent, heated, emotional take as per usual on these hyper political issues.
The emotional charge is more responsibility for these terrible occurances than policy or enforcement.
I want to believe that the killing of Good and Pretti will be a turning point…but I’m a middle aged American who has developed some cynicism about my fellow countrymen…
That would be pretti goode. I hope that happens
The third option is what I expect from years of "American exceptionalism" brainwashing.
I expect them to act smug and talk about the midterms.
100% - You're suggesting to fight the U.S. Military in power. History has shown that nobody "wins" against the American Military. (inb4 some obscure factoid). Even in Vietnam or Afghanistan, it was just destruction - nobody won anything except the investors.
There's 0 leadership down in the trenches too. So ontop of suggesting to fight the U.S. Military, you're suggesting to do so as unorganized. That's going to be easily spun by media as terrorist cells. Sure, they're throwing around "domestic terrorist" already, but it hits differently when they only see 1 side dying. Once there are actual gunfights in the street is when they can rally support from their base for actual action.
We have to wait for midterms. There's been so much bad press regarding Trumps 2nd term that regaining control of the Senate is doable, albeit difficult. In the chance that the Senate is held, then there's a chance to restore order and bring people to justice. Midterms is going to be impossible to avoid for those who participate so it's going to be impossible to avoid the onslaught of bullshit that ensues and will be a wake up call for the people not on Lemmy (or Reddit) and still on Facebook or X (Boomers).
Personally, I think a Civil War in inevitable. I don't think the Trump Admins are going to recede power. I don't think Dems are going to get a majority in the Senate, and I think things are going to get worse. That being said, Midterms is a chance to find leadership and a chance for actual States to break out of this charade.
And the "terrorist" label might also be pretext for the government to de-bank the people they accuse.
Ironically that's how things went so wrong in Russia, too.
Germany too. Dont Be A Sucker should be alll over social media
Military coup. The only way a civil war is successful is if the military are on the side of the people. The most important of which would be the USN and USAF Strategic Forces. A prolonged ground war is only won by sea, air, and nuclear forces. More specifically nuclear forces in the hands of said military who will NOT use them on our own land.
It will present a serious challenge with all the Pentagon purges. But the majority of Flag and Line officers are from West Point, Annapolis, and Maxwell. It's unlikely most side with Trump (for now). The real trick will hinge on the NCOs, as the US Military is predominantly a middle-out force, and senior NCOs hold the bulk of our service members' respect. What they decide to do in the majority will dictate the outcome of a civil war. One NG commander already stated publicly he will order his soldiers to protect protesters from ICE agents. There is a small chance.
Ideally the next time President Trump boards Marine 1 he's taken into custody at a military base with a large Delta, Rangers, or NG presence to subdue USSS agents. With a Federal Judge, Vance, Speaker Johnson, and Grassley in tow. Invoke 25 or Martial Law, and go down the line of succession until someone takes the oath. This is highly unlikely though. A full impeachment is more likely, but a lot of people will need to for die before it will happen.
It's either that or The Man in The High Castle. The American Fourth Reich.
A military coup will not help, assassinating Republican leaders will.
That would undoubtedly be part of said coup. Giving them the opportunity to swear the oath to the Constitution does that. Note that the key provision in the line of succession is a heartbeat.
The French didn't invent the guillotine for show.