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You are falling for political talking points by weak politicians that do not want to stand up for the people they represent that are being killed and kidnapped. I need you to understand something important. Fascist DO NOT need an EXCUSE to escalate. How do you think we got to SS troops going door to door asking for papers? Was it because of all the escalating excuses we gave them?
Please, we need people like you to not fall for Democrat politicians that are just trying to save themselves.
You also offered no alternative. Your advice to be "careful" is not advice. If you actually had a proposal I'd be interested in discussing that. But you are essentially arguing for doing nothing as the fascist continue to escalate in the face of nothing being done.
No, that's not true. I am arguing that we must be smart about what we do. Nonviolence is not the same as doing nothing.
Do you have a line? Like, how many people need to be executed by the feds? Is violence never justified in response to federal violence? Or do you have a line?
How many? 10? 100? 1000? At what point do you suggest fighting back? And I am not even advocating for a vigilante violence. I'm literally talking about preparing an organized defense that is armed.
You can't wait until your chosen number of dead is reached. By then it's too late.
How is what I discussed not being "smart" about what we do? It's literally about preparing an organized state defense to the fascist literally executing and kidnapping people RIGHT NOW.
What's yours? If your line has been crossed, you go do something about it. Go ahead. I'm rooting for you.
Good job avoiding the question. My line was crossed already. I am. I'm the person out there with the sign today (something I doubt you are even doing, but literally just telling us to keep doing that, to keep getting tear gassed, keep getting shot with pepper bombs).
If you were even doing the thing you were advocating for. That is. "protesting peacefully" you wouldn't have the ignorant perspective you have. Stop advocating for something you clearly aren't even doing.
By the time your line gets crossed you'll be too scared to even go hold a sign.
You're right, I'm too scared. I'm clearly not cut out for this resistance stuff. But I'm sure you've got what it takes, so I'm pulling for you. Go get those fascists!
I guess you're just using sarcasm to deal with denial of what is happening.
I get it. The things I'm talking about needing to be done are likely not going to happen. I would say we are both coping with the reality in different ways.
I don't want to be upset with you for dealing with it another way. I guess I just think you're holding onto the idea of a world (or the USA) that no longer exists.
I think there is no way to a better future that isn't fought for against the current systems that exist. You, I am assuming, are trying to restore something (and if I'm being critical that "something" is a delusion of the past). It's why it's so difficult for you to state any concrete plan as I have. Your advice was "be careful" and then fell back on just belittling any talk of organized resistance as some form of adventurism.
It's why you have to pretend I'm talking about something I'm not talking about. You act like I'm talking about some vigilante form of resistance. And I never have been.
I wish you'd try to continue the conversation instead of just falling back on sarcastic responses that criticize a position I don't hold.
Not necessarily. I think we are in the early days of the unwinding of US hegemony. I really don't think anything is going to stop that, at this point, and I think that's a good thing for the world, and even the US, in the long run. But I think a weakening US is at least potentially a dangerous thing, in the near term. I hope leveler heads will prevail but I'm not sure there are enough of those around in this country right now. I definitely hope I'm wrong, though.
I think the US might even collapse. Not necessarily in the very near future, but at some point. And by collapse I mean the Federation dissolves and the Federal government ceases to exist. Some states might try to become independent nations, some might try to form a new federation or union. I'm not saying I think that's going to happen, or even that I think it's likely, but I think it's a possibility, albeit perhaps a remote one.
There are a lot of future possibilities for the US, some better than others, but I don't know which future will happen nor which future "should" happen, necessarily. I just don't know. But I assure you, I'm not under any delusion that we can return to some mythical, stable past where everything was sunshine and roses. No, the past ain't coming back, nor should it. But that's the extent of what I'm confident about. Beyond that the future is a dense fog of possibility, and I certainly don't have the clarity to see which we are headed for.
I haven't stated a concrete plan because I don't have one. I have a general idea of what I want the US to be, but I have no idea how to bring that about. But even my general idea is not static. I constantly go back and forth on what I even want for this country. Do I want the US to even continue existing? Should we "balkanize?" Should the Federation remain in place, but perhaps with a significantly "weakened" Federal government? Or, should the opposite happen, with more centralization and nationalisation? I just don't know. I suppose there are advantages and disadvantages to all.
I think a majority of Americans want the US to remain one nation, but I also think there's confusion about what the even means. A nation is more than a legal or civic arrangement. A nation is a group of people who share a common culture, language, traditions, beliefs, etc. I suppose we do share a lot of those things, but not necessarily all. And so when any American talks about America as a nation, I think they're talking about their own conception of it, their own experience of it, and our own conceptions and experiences of being "American" differ. I think that's part of what's happening right now: different Americans competing for the power to define what it means to be American, for all.
But, ultimately, it's not up to me, anyway. I don't have the power to determine America's future. I'm just along for the ride.