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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Egon@hexbear.net to c/the_dunk_tank@hexbear.net

"Some of you may be willing to die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make" but unironically

Edit: The user has since apologised https://hexbear.net/comment/3848285

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[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago
[-] lesseva96@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

The intentional destruction of a people in whole or in part. Russia is doing that to Ukraine.

[-] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago
[-] lesseva96@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Well the Russians have been stealing Ukranian children and forcibly adopting them into Russian families to rob them of their national identity. They've been bombing civilian population centers and infrastructure. Putin put out this silly speech in which he claims that Ukrainians are just confused Russians and that's why they need to come back into the fold (and just let their country and identity be destroyed). Lotsa proof there. I think the fact you haven't found any and are still asking belies your biases (you're probably another fucking Kremlin stooge).

[-] jack@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago

They've been bombing civilian population centers and infrastructure

By this metric all war is genocide

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago

So the western liberal believes that orphans should be left in a war zone?

[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

Ukraine uses child soldiers and brag about it so it's a wholesome thing now I guess.

[-] lesseva96@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Are you saying that there are only two options? You either leave them to die or indoctrinate them into Russian families? No in-between?

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

You know the Russians are contacting family members and reuniting children with families, right? https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-children-returned-illegal-deportations-russia/32355290.html They try to frame it in a vicious manner because the liberal brain is soft and easy to manipulate, but the facts are those children were in Russia and given back to their families.

You're just making up unhinged fantasies.

[-] lesseva96@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Oh boy they returned 31 children of the tens of thousands they've kidnapped, truly Russia is a messiah-state here to deliver us from western oppression

Also I haven't made anything up, I've sourced all my claims, Ivan

[-] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

you havent sourced all ur claims, you hide unsourced claims in between claims backed with the flimsiest sources. wikipedia warrior, go back to reddit-logo

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

Ivan

Are the russians in the room with you right now?

Russiagate absolutely flattened the liberal brain. Truly as smooth as glass.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago

tens of thousands

source?

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago
[-] aport@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Russian troops have previously fired on agreed-upon humanitarian corridors.

Hmmm

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

So the article claims, but it fails to refer to an incident. Russian fire has hit humanitarian corridors, as have Ukrainian. It is however only Ukraine that has shut down corridors and it is only Ukraine that has a track record of using civilians as a human shield

[-] aport@programming.dev 8 points 1 year ago

Ukraine that has a track record of using civilians as a human shield

Well that was a horrifying read.

[-] lesseva96@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Here, you attempt to flame Ukraine for shutting down humanitarian corridors because Russians attack them, and your source also states that Russians attack them? Do you even read your sources?

And this doesn't even mention that, when Russia opened their own humanitarian corridors, they conveniently only led to Russian or allied Belarusian territory (instead of back to Ukraine, where a lot of these fleeing Ukranians wanted to go).

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My source states that Ukraine claims Russia might attack them. Do you think they might have an agenda with statements such as those?

How would the corridor be able to lead back to Ukraine, if Ukraine shuts down such corridors? Of course it is not surprising, when Ukraine makes use of civilian human shields

[-] SeducingCamel@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

So they set up in this "strategic" care home and refused to assist an evacuation? That's a nightmare

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

I don't like the russians all that much, but ukraine is literally just throwing people away to regain territory trying to free itself from them

fucking nazis

[-] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

what would you do, oh paragon of morality? give them to ur heroic western human traffickers?

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Are you claiming the Ukrainians are doing human trafficking here, or something else? Either way, if you have a good source I'd love to read it!

[-] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

no. im claiming that opportunistic westerners are coming into Ukraine to kidnap women and children. here’s a UN report. an article and one woman’s story

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Thank you for these sources!

[-] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They've been bombing civilian population centers

this is the only part of ur comment that could feasibly be considered genocide and you didnt provide a source. and wikipedia isnt a reliable source

and Ukraine has been bombing civilian centers for the past decade. and that is well documented. maybe Ukraine is the real genocidal power

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 year ago

national identity

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