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For anybody saying "it's not a problem, just moderate it yourself", look at Relooted's steam forum. There are more than 700 threads there and most of them are really not kind. Tell me how you're going to moderate that.
Just put yourself in the shoes of game publishers or studios that make a game which goes against the grind and gets attacked like Relooted is being attacked. Would you want to employ somebody just to moderate the forums? Should the onus be on the forum owners or should it be on the forum providers (Valve)? Do you think this has no effect on the types of games being released?
I mean, look at this game Tyrone vs Cops 2. Is this OK? What do you think the forum discussions look like. Are they OK? If it's only devs that should moderate their forums, that means the KKK could make game about water lillies and then have their forums be the meeting ground for white power discussions. They won't be offended after-all. That's OK?
For anyone else not familiar, here's the first line of Relooted's description:
The forum is full of exactly what you'd expect.
The reason it got this bad was because they didn't nip it in the bud sooner. If they had been more proactive from the start, there wouldn't be 700+ threads.
At this point, just nuke them all and ban everyone who made a bigoted troll thread. It's gonna be a game of whack-a-mole for a little while, but once you start handing out bans, the trolling will start die down.
Compare this to fedi, shared block lists for admims helps a lot.
Should each game have to clean their forum individually?
Or it becomes a popular trolling target with a cry of "they can't take us all down" and it gets worse.
If it continues to get bad enough, you can lock the forum down from new accounts so they can't make alts.
A controversial game has controversial community? Shocked I must say
It "controversial" because racists and bigots made it that way. There was no controversy about other heist games, there's no "controversy" about games with all-white characters. But put in a diverse group of character, that steal back what was stolen and suddenly that's "controversial".
Well, that's what controversial means. Things like lgbt rights, abortion rights, etc. are also controversial, but objectively fair/correct
If any group complaining about something makes it "controversial", then everything is controversial and the word loses all meaning.
There are entire studies on "at which point does x become a controversy", I'm not gonna go there
I'm of the opposite opinion. It's a much bigger problem than just Steam community moderation and it needs to be addressed more broadly. (Monkey's paw curls)
I clicked a random thread and it looks like a lot of posters don't even own the game. I've seen this a lot of times, people flaming and trolling on a game's forum don't even own the game. Thought the simplest fix would be to just not let them post and restrict game forums to those who bought it.
They do have an "Owners" forum (the default is the Non-Owners for those who don't own the game). I imagine the non-owners forum is there to provide an opportunity for non-owners to ask genuine questions about the game, but that obviously isn't happening. Maybe you're right and they should just make it owners only. I don't know if it would be visible to others though.
There are valid use cases for non owners, but I think they don't outweigh the cost. Sometimes you have to sacrifice something and this is something I could live with.
Surprisingly despite the forums the game has a "Very Positive" review, which is probably what I would have given it after playing the demo.
The forums are just full of bigotted trolls who want to see the game fail.
Stems need a better tools to moderate. It's a pain to manually go thru.
It's probably filled with vile stuff, so I simply won't go there. There's awful stuff to be found everywhere on the internet if you seek it out, you can just not go there.
Sure, I won't travel to Gaza and say "wow, so many dead people here" and act surprised, but if I stumble upon a dead body on a playground, you betcha it's at least a little surprising.
nobody is forcing you to play it, and nobody is forcing you to go to a forum and talk about it. If it bothers you so much just don't go there?
You guys realise that censoring racist content doesn't modify or remove the underlying belief right? just like closing your eyes doesn't make you invisible...
We're in a reality where groups like ISIS have actively recruited followers through gaming networks. There's genuine, violent risk in allowing hate speech to reach across land masses and be granted some form of discoverability, even if some of the recipients are just looking for answers to the question "Man why no girl want me"
we're in a reality where syria is controlled by isis-like headchopping terrorists, and our western governments drape these terrorists in liberal moderate language to make them more palatable to western audiences. By paying your taxes, by supporting your western country you are giving material indirect support to literal wahabbist terrorists. You going to your job and pretending to yourself and others that your silly middle class existence is somehow 'civilised' because your don't say the n word or cuss is materially much closer to violent terrorism than some chud saying crude words on his day off.
What bothers you isn't a proximity to evil or violence, your everyday ordinary existence materially entangles you in that process. What bothers you is strict conformance to civility politics. What bothers you is people saying uncomfortable things, because your bourgeois, performative morality places you and your paper-mache feelings at the center of the moral universe.
Fuck shit damn. Cunt piss bitch. America was built on goddamn slave labor. Ooh boy, all that cursing was so, so difficult for my civilized upbringing.
This is what chuds don’t get, since they never read terms of use. Social networks don’t often oppose aimless expletives like “Let’s fucking kick a baby into lava haha!” They oppose pointed, meaningful intention like “I’m going to shoot up my school because it’s been infested with n%%%%s.” Hate is a language used everywhere, separate from curses, and it’s one I don’t mind blocking on every front possible.
because if you don't see it - it disappears! like magic!
the angry chud whos economic stability has been shattered by a neoliberal race to the bottom, the chud who can't afford to live in the same town he grew up in, who has been directed to view every moral or class grievance in purely racial terms by the corporate media. When that same chud dares to express any anger or resentment or hostility, and he expresses that anger to his cultural out group, at least YOU will be there! to wag your finger in his face and moralise to him about how people's feelings are important, even as you ignore his.
censoring someone doesn't change their mind, if anything it hardens their velief and encourages them to spread it elsewhere
NO ONE WANTS YOU NOT TO BE ANGRY!!
LOOK AROUND LEMMY! Every political community! Every discussion! EVERYONE is angry, jaded, fucking upset the system isn’t working! The difference is, SMART angry people get angry at the actual causes of that economic disparity. Not going on wild, racist tangents to blame people even poorer than them that have barely done a thing to even affect that economic situation!
I don’t fucking trust anyone who’s not angry at the world. Those people are blind. But worse are people who are angry at the most victimized part of the world, instead of the ones doing the victimizing; or those who are angry at politicians who did in fact try to give rural America something to do with their hands - read the Inflation Reduction Act - but were spat on because Fox News parroted Shell’s line that renewable energy is a scam.
Don’t you dare say I’m demonizing people or “wagging my finger at them” for being fucking angry. That is a bald-faced lie. I demonize people for taking their anger out on people that should be brothers and sisters in the fight against injustice.
People are allowed to engage in discussion about the games they play and deserve to do so without being hampered by shitlords. Easy idea.