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Let's be honest, this is absolutely directed at police. Sure, it bans all people with guns but 99% of the people coming in there with them will be the police.
That said, they are free to do that. I think it is a little shitty but that's up to them.
Police are a little shitty, but that's up to them too.
Cops are massively shitty.
I mean, maybe it's just me but I don't like to make sweeping statements about large groups of people. I get it's the thing to do, shit on cops, but all it does is make the few good ones callus and bitter and turn bad. I've seen this with a friend on the force first hand. Most seem like asses TBH but mindsets like this turn the rest who are good shitty too. They feel like everyone hates them but the other asshole cops, so guess what they become...
That's a broken apologist argument. It's not “a couple of bad cops”, the problem is systemic. The system is meant to create assholes and protect assholes and to drive out anyone who isn't an asshole. Blue line and all that. There are no good or bad cops, there are only perpetrators and enablers.
I never said a couple of bad cops, I actually called out that the good ones are the minority. This is the problem, people view something complex like this as black and white when it isn't.
That's a piss poor take. When good cops tell on bad cops, they get kicked out of the force and the PD harass them. There's been countless cases of that. The institution is rotten to the core and any person that stays in that long enough becomes rotten.
This is what people need to understand and accept as reality.
Ok, and I think yours is a piss poor take. Someone can want to do good and try to make a difference. You're saying no one ever can so let's just demonize the lot. Change doesn't happen that way.
At one point, the system is so rotten that it needs to be reconstructed from the ground up.
As we've seen with so many PDs, corruption is rampant and the PDs actively discourage going against the club.
Any change proposed to reign in the PDs is met with extreme resistance.
And that's not mentioning that many PDs have close ties to racist groups.
I get that some people enter to make a difference, but those that really do want to change the police for the better get chewed out by their own. The other that stay turn a blind eye and are not really trying to make a difference anymore
There is no goodwill coming from PDs. Always some dumb platitudes with no real changes.
You seem to be trying to convince me that the system is broken, I already agree with that. But you're claiming to know exactly how everything plays out when a person tries to be a good cop. You claim to know exactly how that goes, every time. What makes you so confident, what information do you have? We're you a cop?
I'm saying there is still the possibility for a cop to join and want to do good. Hate cops all you want, but a few have done good things, a few have helped people. We need to go after bad cops, of course, and try to fix the broken system. But at the same time we can't ignore the ones who actually do good, that behavior should be encouraged, not shat on.
Both can be true.
If they're good people... they wouldn't be cops. You have to compromise being a good person every day to remain there
I know plenty of ex cops who were chased out or quit in disgust. The system is rotten
Yes, but good people are needed to fix it. And attacking that good people turns them sour.
Listen I think the system is broken, but if someone is trying to make a change from the inside, they would need to be a cop to do that.
... no such thing as a good cop
There are people who agree with you who don't have the patience to deal with militant teens. Thanks for commenting some sanity.
Yeah I'm dealing with it right now. It's easier to hate than it is to understand.
ACAB
As a non-American trying to understand, why do you feel this policy is a little shitty?
Well, if you are not from America you can look at Russian police, that beats protesting students, pregnant mothers and kills jogging programmers. And all of this in the Moscow, I'm not even saying what happens in regions.
What does that have to do with an American bakery’s gun policy?
What does perception of police to do with an American bakery’s gun policy?
Besides US cops doing all of that and worse on a depressingly regular basis, what does Russian police behaviour have to do with the decision to ban guns in a shop in the US?
I don't want anybody bringing a weapon into my business either, especially guns as they're the most wildly dangerous kind, and I don't care who is carrying it. Cops are as likely to kick off and shoot someone as the next person, better to keep all weapons far, far away from my business.
If you're a cop and you want to buy something from my business, you're perfectly welcome, but you'll have to leave your gun somewhere else.
I am not a gun nut or anything, but I'm pretty sure those signs are useless. Not only do most people conceal carry, but any robber or shooter coming to your business to actually use a weapon is not going to be deterred by a no guns allowed sign.
It may stop one or two open carry dummies from using your business. Also, cops, obviously. That might be enough of a reason to put the sign up, still. I'd probably just put up a no cops allowed sign.
I was answering why police perceived shitty, but you answered it better and in US context.
Just waiting for an entrepreneur to set up a table and operate a gun check service.
"Just hand your service weapon over to me, officer, and you can head right in. That will be one dollarbuck."
I'm sure police would be very comfortable giving their gun to a stranger for money instead of putting it in their trunk.
The trunk you say....
It's not shitty at all. What a stupid sentiment to hold.
normalize rejecting pigs.
SF recently allowed concealed carry.
"Sorry Madam/Sir, I assume you have a weapon on your person. That is against our policy. We cannot serve you. Please leave the premises."