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I'm not argueing that it isn't the national language. I just said that you could grow up in Wales never learning Welsh, because English is just as much (if not more) the language used in every-day dealings.
That said, the farthest north I have been was Merthyr Tydfil.
At least in the areas I have been in and the time that I lived there, Welsh was a language you had to actively seek out and not a language that was necessary to know if you lived there.
And that's the point of the 3rd category: That's the language you need to know to get around well in that country. If you go to the doctor's, if you want to talk to your coworkers, if you want to make friends with the locals, which language do you need?
I'm from Vienna and it's a similar thing with the Viennese dialect. While there is a limited revival happening, it's mostly a cultural relic more than a necessity in every-day life. 70 years ago, if you didn't speak Viennese you'd be an outcast. Now it's rare that someone speaks it.
While I was in Wales I got myself Welsh language resources and actively sought out Welsh speakers to try to learn the language, but of all the people I met there, I only met two adults who could fluently speak Welsh. The kids learned it in school as a second language, but by and large the adults didn't speak it.
Like I said,
If the furthest north you went was Methryr Tydfil, you were never more than 15-20 miles from the M4 corridor, which is where the most strongly English speaking areas are, (apart from South Pembrokeshire and some more touristy bits).
I'm not surprised that you found mostly English speaking in the mostly English speaking parts of Wales. If you had stayed in East Anglia you might have concluded that England possessed no hills at all, but it might be worth admitting that there's more to know than that.
So,
(apart from it being compulsory in Welsh schools)
in the South and more touristy areas, whereas Welsh is the main spoken language in much of the country further North.
Which makes my assertion correct.
Can you grow up in Wales never learning Welsh? Yes.
Can you grow up in Wales never learning English?
There's more to a country than is in front of your nose, and for the third time, learning Welsh is compulsory in schools. You're acting incredibly ignorant and you sound like you're trying to be offensive deliberately.
You are acting like you deliberately want to be offended. Congratulations, you got what you came for.