The Last Jedi had some really powerful messages and was incredibly well made, but sadly it hurt some people's feelings a bit so it's seen as a bad movie despite commercial success and critical acclaim. And sadly that vocal minority made them backtrack a lot of the choices from that movie in episode 9, so yes, as a trilogy it became completely incoherent.

[–] ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago

It's a weird movie, the story around Rey, Luke, Kylo, and Snoke was excellent, but the story around Finn, Rose, and the general was awful writing and usually bland acting. There's a really good movie in there, maybe one of the best Star Wars, if you cut out half of it.

[–] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It is kind of a bad movie though. Yeah, the switch away from some chosen one (s family) was cool, but the actual story of the movie is the most boring chase in the universe coupled with dicking around in some casino.

[–] jonsnothere@beehaw.org 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's about the same amount of plot advancement (maybe slightly more) than Empire Strikes Back, though.

[–] Sidyctism2@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Is it? I dont think i have watched the original trilogy in the last... two decades? Honestly after Ep 9 i felt totally done with star wars (will definitely agree that its worse than ep 8; i dont even remember the plot anymore besides palpy's back!) and that feeling was cemented when i watched and absolutely enjoyed Andor for all the ways it wasnt star wars

[–] jonsnothere@beehaw.org 1 points 1 hour ago

When you break it down there's a lot of parallels despite those elements being used in different ways: big battle on an ice/salt planet, chase through space, Jedi mentor on a distant planet, betrayal by a new character in/met in a glitzy planet, reveal/non-reveal of parentage, but on top of that you have Luke's arc going from disillusioned mentor to learning from failure and facing your mistakes, and the 'force is for everyone, not just a few genetic lineages' with the casino planet epilogue.