next time I hear "there is just too many (brown) people" i swear
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What's your best, longest-lived example of a society without capitalism? Do you have any?
By capitalism, I mean
"private individuals or companies that own and control businesses and property", the simplest definition of capitalism
Bad definition of Capitalism. This existed in Feudal states. Simple definitions are rarely the ones to use.
That's not the simplest definition because it's not the definition of capitalism at all. You can have property ownership without capitalism.
Capitalism was literally invented in the last few hundred years.
Sure, but before that was feudalism, or similar systems where the state owned the means of production with no competition besides foreign powers and sometimes the church. Capitalism doesn't give much power to workers, but it's definitely more than serfdom.
Collective ownership is very common (no pun intended) global and throughout history
any socialist society will be inherently disadvantaged by the fact that the global hegemon, the USA, is hellbent on destroying them. so, given that, maybe the soviet union? china? they certainly aren't perfect, soviet union especially, but any future socialist project can (and should) learn from their successes and mistakes
You have mercantilism and other forms of private business without capitalism. A yeoman making something and selling it isn't capitalism.
Your definition is intentionally bad because you do in fact have to separate capitalism from just the very generic concept of private enterprise.
By that definition, Roman Empire? Which lasted pretty damn long, by similar methods. Imperialism. A government that has at least a veneer of responsibility to the populace.
I mean there's big differences, but more similarities imo.
I'm pretty sure what most people are referring to here is unfettered capitalism. It's not an on/off switch, you can have certain aspects of one thing combined with the other.
No one ever does.
We need regulated capitalism. I don't mind working for money. Most lemmys would like to smoke weed all day and not do shit. World dont work like that kids.
Capitalism with regulation and taxation of billionaires. Welfare state for the sick and elderly. Why is this so hard? We don't need communism.
Cooperatives are the best answer. Capitalists will argue they should outcompete traditional firms in the market. If they're supposed to be better they'd win, right? But the thing is they're only better for most people.. and not the few richest that benefit the most from the current capitalist system. And everyone's too damn brainwashed to understand private ownership of the means of production is the root cause of so many problems. But let's just regulate capitalism.
If cooperatives goal is to provide for its members and community while a traditional firms goal is profit maximization, regulation fixes nothing.
Okay how do you stop the capitalist who run our government and all of our economic production from getting rid of that welfare once their profits dry up? They own the military and all of its assets btw.
The treats they gave us have been a concession from the start. They were given because we put up enough of a fight that the capitalists worried not giving them to us would be worse. They will take them away if we don't keep that fight, and its implicit threat, going. I don't want all of our future generations for the rest of time to have to keep up that fight.