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“Telegram is not a private messenger. There’s nothing private about it. It’s the opposite. It’s a cloud messenger where every message you’ve ever sent or received is in plain text in a database that Telegram the organization controls and has access to it”

“It’s like a Russian oligarch starting an unencrypted version of WhatsApp, a pixel for pixel clone of WhatsApp. That should be kind of a difficult brand to operate. Somehow, they’ve done a really amazing job of convincing the whole world that this is an encrypted messaging app and that the founder is some kind of Russian dissident, even though he goes there once a month, the whole team lives in Russia, and their families are there.”

" What happened in France is they just chose not to respond to the subpoena. So that’s in violation of the law. And, he gets arrested in France, right? And everyone’s like, oh, France. But I think the key point is they have the data, like they can respond to the subpoenas where as Signal, for instance, doesn’t have access to the data and couldn’t respond to that same request.  To me it’s very obvious that Russia would’ve had a much less polite version of that conversation with Pavel Durov and the telegram team before this moment"

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[–] flandish@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (4 children)

pro tip: there is no such thing as a fully private app or communications channel unless you are face to face with someone and in a Cone of Silence(tm).

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 52 points 3 days ago (3 children)
[–] flandish@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

was hoping the reference was going to be recognized. :)

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

Didn’t JUST get this way, we been smart

[–] MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 3 days ago

Unfortunately, this is a barbell of silence. Privacy won't hold up to our expectations unless it is cone shaped.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why not? If the service is fully decentralized and e2e enceyptwe with metadata included how is this not fully private?

I suppose someone with access to the network could see were the traffic is going to and from, in that case add a trusted vpn + tor. Ok sure it is possible for tor to be tracked and it is possible for a team to hijack your vpn providers servers forecefully and take logs. So technically possible. But even then they will only find who you are talking to, not what you are saying.

But it is also much easier to use countless tracking techiques to locate you, find were you are going and find who you are talking to.

Both of these are very unlikely to happen unless you are being personally targeted by govenment agencies.

[–] flandish@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

and in the US, as ab example, the gov is actively targeting citizens and noncitizens without the required warrants.

so yeah. assume the worst and prepare accordingly.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It doesn't matter how private and secure the messaging app is if the OS / keyboard / some random Google slopware with notifications access / physical device is compromised.

But for 99% of people, Signal, Telegram or even WhatsApp is good enough.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

pretty much yeah.

Hmm maybe not whatsapp or telegram though. One of them is spyware and the other one is spyware and supports one of the (if not the) most evil tech companies in the world.

[–] gjoel@programming.dev 22 points 3 days ago

True. But there are still degrees of privacy you can achieve without going to extremes.

[–] dwt@feddit.org 7 points 3 days ago

While that is true to a degree, it is still worthwhile to have a hierarchy of escalation about on which app or platform it is safe to say which thing and which not.