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“Telegram is not a private messenger. There’s nothing private about it. It’s the opposite. It’s a cloud messenger where every message you’ve ever sent or received is in plain text in a database that Telegram the organization controls and has access to it”

“It’s like a Russian oligarch starting an unencrypted version of WhatsApp, a pixel for pixel clone of WhatsApp. That should be kind of a difficult brand to operate. Somehow, they’ve done a really amazing job of convincing the whole world that this is an encrypted messaging app and that the founder is some kind of Russian dissident, even though he goes there once a month, the whole team lives in Russia, and their families are there.”

" What happened in France is they just chose not to respond to the subpoena. So that’s in violation of the law. And, he gets arrested in France, right? And everyone’s like, oh, France. But I think the key point is they have the data, like they can respond to the subpoenas where as Signal, for instance, doesn’t have access to the data and couldn’t respond to that same request.  To me it’s very obvious that Russia would’ve had a much less polite version of that conversation with Pavel Durov and the telegram team before this moment"

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[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 hours ago (3 children)

It really depends on your needs and what people you communicate with are willing to use. A few platforms that are notable in no particular order.

SimpleX Chat is probably the gold standard right now. It uses absolutely no user IDs such as phone numbers, no usernames, no random strings of text. Instead, it creates unique, pairwise decentralized message queues for every single contact you have. Because there is no global identity, there is no metadata connecting your conversations together.

Session is a popular Signal alternative. It doesn't require a phone number and routes your messages through an onion-routed decentralized network that's similar to Tor. Since your IP address is hidden and messages are bounced through multiple nodes, no single server ever knows who is talking to whom, stripping away metadata.

Jami is completely decentralized, open-source platform. It uses Distributed Hash Tables to connect users directly to one another without a central server. Notably, it supports high-quality voice and video calls.

[–] marcie@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

I really want simplexchat to evolve and get more features. If they ever make a lot of mod tools and the possibility to make giant servers with thousands with chatrooms like discord I could see it having mass appeal due to the ease of "signup"

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 hours ago

yeah it definitely has some promise

[–] tracyspcy@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

heard SimpleX is really good, the only thing that bothers me is their vc funding model. It makes me feel a bit suspicious.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 hours ago

Yeah, I'm leery about anything where vcs are involved as well for obvious reasons. The tech itself does seem solid though, and it is open source. If it does start moving in a sketchy direction at least it could be forked at that point.

[–] Dialectical_Specialist@quokk.au 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I like your analysis, and would love your thoughts on matrix(assuming you have ofc)

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's better than Signal since you don't have to disclose any personal info, but people have pointed out some issues with federation in it. Again, it's one of those things that may or may not matter based on your use case.

[–] Dialectical_Specialist@quokk.au 2 points 2 hours ago

That link seems dated (Nov. 2024). If anyone finds a more current critique, pls send. I also get auto-kicked from HLC simplex group, so I'm not sure what to think of them but commando's matrix server was amazing befored abandoned