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[–] Tja@programming.dev 6 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Russian bombs are bad not because of the flag, but because they consistently target civilians indiscriminately. Plus the whole invading a neighbor, murdering the people and stealing the land.

Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn't go as far.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 27 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn't go as far.

Genuinely not defending Russia here, but Dubya's pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan was if anything even flimsier than the "justification" for the Ukraine invasion, and that war killed way more people, civilians and not.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 8 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

The estimates I've seen are 300.000 killed in Iraq. There's more Russians killed alone than that, let alone Ukrainian military and civilian casualties...

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Ok, some in Yemen and Somalia too, but Wikipedia claims the cost of life of the gwot was 4.5 million, and I've seen credible estimates as high as 6.

And I think in this situation we'd only really be comparing Ukrainian casualties to them.

[–] drath@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Just 15172 civilians killed in Ukraine, according to UN, though. About 40k injured. That's the lower estimate, yes, but, in comparison, the USA has committed more than 100k confirmed civilians kills in just Iraq alone.

[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn't go as far.

Any point you might've had about land acquisition, separatism, or imperialism, is pretty hard invalidated by this comparison. Like, why add Bush as a qualifier?

[–] Tja@programming.dev -4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

To prevent tankies from accusing me of US bias.

[–] Amnesigenic@lemmy.ml 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Tja@programming.dev -1 points 4 hours ago

Said the tankie...