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[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn't go as far.

Genuinely not defending Russia here, but Dubya's pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan was if anything even flimsier than the "justification" for the Ukraine invasion, and that war killed way more people, civilians and not.

[–] Rothe@piefed.social -1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

and that war killed way more people, civilians and not.

No it fucking didn't. The completely delusional claim of yours is a good example of why this blanket statement is so stupid.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

You can just look up the numbers. This isn't some secret knowledge. 400k civilians directly killed, on the low end, millions more dead from famine and displacement. Versus like 15-20k in Ukraine.

[–] Tja@programming.dev 7 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

The estimates I've seen are 300.000 killed in Iraq. There's more Russians killed alone than that, let alone Ukrainian military and civilian casualties...

[–] drath@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Just 15172 civilians killed in Ukraine, according to UN, though. About 40k injured. That's the lower estimate, yes, but, in comparison, the USA has committed more than 100k confirmed civilians kills in just Iraq alone.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 5 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Ok, some in Yemen and Somalia too, but Wikipedia claims the cost of life of the gwot was 4.5 million, and I've seen credible estimates as high as 6.

And I think in this situation we'd only really be comparing Ukrainian casualties to them.