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Israel is about 47% Jewish as of a recent poll, and that is about 41% of the global Jewish population.
So roughly 19% of global Jews are controlling the direction of Israel. I have seen polling saying that roughly 50% of Israel supports the genocide.
So here we have roughly 10% (plus everyone outside of Israel who supports this insanity) of a major world religion who are gleefully in support of genocide. I would imagine the percentage who support the settlements expansions and all the violence around that is much higher.
My hatred of religion has swelled recently. It truly makes me believe you are a defective human being and that none of your other thoughts have any merit. I'm wholly uninterested in hearing swill from the mouths of people so hypocritical to their very core.
blaming religion for pissraels crime is like blaming christianity for the colonisation of americas. It's a tool used, not the root cause.
@mathemachristian @HasturInYellow it's' not "blaming" Christianity, it's acknowledging its driving force and purpose : the crusades, the Iberian "Reconquista", the portuguese empire, the Inquisition, all "holly wars" with massive killings, forced conversions, religious taxes and political power as well as plunder, commercial expansion and colonisation.
I strongly disagree.
Ok? Any particular reason? How does religion manifest all the hardware and political machinery necessary to commit these heinous crimes? It seems to me that capitalism, colonialism, imperialism all have the means to do so but religous institution no longer do. Hell you'd have more of an argument about "religion" being behind genocide back when the Vatican was a major political player.
Please look for the sources of these evils objectively and not through redditisms. Here is a good video by someone in the skeptic community explaining how imperialists use religion to further their colonial agenda (I know! an actually rational skeptic, no misogyny or islamophobia detected!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hePRA9yVdQE
You don't have the be a cardinal in the Catholic church to be perpetuating and influenced/controlled by the religious institutions oppression.
People in the same in group work towards the same goals. When those goals are all filtered through the lens of the in group being gods favorite people, it taints every thought from that foundation upwards.
So you actually believe that Satansyahoo and the settler elite are doing this because they are very devout jews and they would stop if they weren't? I'd urge you to watch the video, it's very illuminating
I believe they believe they are.
As an agnostic/likely atheist, there's a difference between religion and extremism. People can be religious without wanting to murder those who don't believe the same things as they do, just like an atheist could still be a political extremist.
There is a difference but most people do not make the distinction and dedicate their lives to upholding the power structures of extremist factions of their religions instead of speaking out and changing denominations to one that doesn't trade in human suffering.
Zionism is not Judaism. See Antisemitism, Weaponized.
Christianity isn't gay and trans hate.
White supremacy isn't black hate.
At what point in history have religions benefited humanity? I have only ever seen countless wars and genocides on behalf of it. When does it get to the part where we help the unfortunate?
Judaism isn't Zionism, it just fostered and fomented it.
The same as white supremacy was fostered by Christianity.
I can hate the cause of problems as well as the problems themselves. It's not my fault or problem you can't connect the dots.
Christianity isn't gay or trans hate. White supremacy is non-white hate. The dots you're connecting are different pictures. Actual Christians are followers of a brown dude. That's not a True Scotsman fallacy, it's just definitional, coming from an "unborn" atheist, if you will.
I said those first two lines mockingly. They are both the same exact thing. Just because you personally don't participate in the lynching doesn't mean it's not done by your group. When that group performs all of its "good deeds" with the express purpose of whitewashing the bad and expanding the reach of its power structure, I don't take it at face value. They aren't even separate dots. It's just already a straight line
I think that's mistaking the forest for the trees (I know that's sort of backward for the metaphor)
I 100% deny these mongrel's claims to be Christians on a purely conceptual level. Put 100 molesting "cross dressers" in a room with a couple trans folk and I'm not going to think they're the same.
Ok but this is what Christian society has allowed and secreted away and in many cases (outside molestation) they have celebrated their atrocities. These are the leaders of Christian faith. For centuries. At what point will "real" Christians take power of their group, do you think?
Honestly not sure, and that is a really good point. I do think there are enough people out there who call themselves Christians and explicitly reject the nonsense, but maybe that group is thinning like my own disillusionment.
If they change to be unitarians or something the. I don't really have a problem with them. I still dislike religions in general but if you are actively distancing yourself from the evils, it's fine. Unfortunately, the excuse of "well my daddy and granddaddy were Catholics so I have to be too" attitude keeps people entrenched within the groups who love doing evil.
That being said, the last two popes have been a pleasant surprise change in tone.
I will say I always end up back at "the institution is the problem" (can you guess I grew up protestant?) but I agree on the popes being a good trend. What you've brought up makes me wonder the power of calling yourself Christian the "loudest" or with the most influence, even while being directly unchristian. That sort of co-opting is almost inevitable.
That's correct, gay and trans hate come from conservatism
That's not correct, it stems from justifying chattel slavery
Religion itself has benefitted countless people, from promoting general welfare to giving solace to those who experience the death of loved ones.
Wars and genocides don't happen because of religion. They happen because of resource accumulation, otherwise known as primitive accumulation prior to the rise of capital accumulation. Religion is co-opted by the powers-at-be as a galvanizing force. Christianity wasn't the cause of the crusades, European powers aim to acquire the riches of the middle east was.
You're showing a reactionary attitude towards religion. I've seen reactionary atheists have just as violent attitudes as what they claim to oppose, justifying islamphobia or antisemitism as simply anti-religion, or even going as far are justifying nuking the middle east.
Also not true, Zionism has roots in secularism. It is a fascist project. The religious aspect was wielded only as much as it's usefulness for convincing more people to join the project. Additionally, the vast majority of Zionists are Christian Zionists. Same with Christian nationalism, it is the Conservatism that is the root of the violence and hate, not the religion. In fact, they intentionally ignore every aspect of the religion that is incongruent with their fascist aims.
Again you've got it backwards, white supremacists twisted religion to justify their white supremacy. In fact white supremacy is more rooted in scientific racism. Which was again, used to justify chattel slavery and the eradication of the 'subhuman' natives.
Except you're not genuinely interested in the root cause. You're just generalizing it as religion itself out of a reactionary attitude.
Some people are in so much pain because of a difficult life that they have nothing else. Those people should be allowed to keep their religion. If it gives them comfort during dark times, and it's not hurting anyone, then I am in full support of them keeping it.
And I wouldn't want anyone deciding my religion for me. What right do I have to do it to someone else?
@HasturInYellow
This picture illustrates the difference before and after the war. I'm not talking about religion; I'm talking about the lack of mercy, the crimes we're witnessing in this war, and the widespread destruction in Gaza. I'm not talking about religion here.
What war? I saw an extermination with sparse resistance fighting. There were not two similarly matched forces. This was tanks running over children.
@HasturInYellow
Feeling hatred toward a religion or people as a whole can become corrosive, both mentally and socially. Focusing on systems of power, policies, and actions, rather than entire populations or beliefs, keeps your outrage precise and effective in advocating for change.
Religion is a system of power, and inherently corrupt, injust and repugnant one. Religion has to go if humanity is to go forward. Nothing lasting can be build on sand.
My outrage is precise. It's precisely targeted at toxic power structures that entrench evil humans in positions that allow them to destroy the lives of uncountable numbers of people.
It's not my fault that that so accurately describes religions.