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[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 14 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

Since when is "i didn't know" a get out of jail free card?

[–] phx@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Since when has associating with somebody been a crime?

You can have dinner with your neighbor and not be in trouble when it's discovered he's a serial killer. Hell, you can dinner with somebody you know is a mob boss.

It's when you're involved in the actual commission of crimes (including covering up crimes, or in various cases but reporting your knowledge of a particular criminal act) that it becomes an "go to jail" type issue.

That also doesn't justify hanging out with repugnant criminals from a moral perspective, but moral and go-directly-to-jail criminal actions are not the same thing.

[–] MJKee9@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Depends on what you don't know and when you didn't know it.

All crimes have requirements. Most crimes require that the person "know" or "intended" to engage in the criminal behavior. Sometimes the knowledge requirement is subjective, but mostly it's objective...i.e. what would a reasonable person have known under the same circumstances. Which means that being drunk or otherwise impaired is rarely a defense to a crime requiring knowledge or awareness. Another exception when knowledge doesn't matter is statutory rape of a minor in the US; you can legitimately think they are of age when you screw... But if they are a minor it's rape regardless.

The knowledge requirement pertains to factual knowledge of the circumstance (i.e. you reasonably knew the property wasn't yours when you took it). Ignorance of the law is not a defense. Everyone has implied knowledge of every law as soon as it's codified. Fuckin' bullshit, especially the younger and poorer you are.

[–] bridgeburner@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Worked out for the last chancellor of germany as well lol

[–] multifariace@lemmy.world 9 points 7 hours ago

It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is.