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usually, claims to Lenin are about anarchists in a Finnish port
https://www.lavanguardia.com/historiayvida/historia-contemporanea/20210228/6259751/lenin-marineros-kronstadt.html
First of all, I don't really know of anyone calling Konstadt rebellion to be led by anarchist. They were ardent communist who became disillusioned over time due to poor working conditions.
Secondly, out of the 15k men who held the fort, it's thought that around 10k escaped to Finland during the fighting, all while killing around 10k soldiers of the red army.
I don't really think this really fits within the scope of the argument that Lenin murdered 9 million people.
Demands of the Kronstadt Rebellion
1. In view of the fact that the present soviets do not express the will of the workers and peasants, immediately to hold new elections by secret ballot, with freedom to carry on agitation beforehand for all workers and peasants. 2. To give freedom of speech and press to workers and peasants, to anarchists and left socialist parties. 3. To secure freedom of assembly for trade unions and peasant organisations. 4. To call a non-party conference of the workers, Red Army soldiers and sailors of Petrograd, Kronstadt and Petrograd province, no later than 10 March 1921. 5. To liberate all political prisoners of socialist parties, as well as workers, peasants, soldiers and sailors imprisoned in connection with the labour and peasant movements. 6. To elect a commission to review the cases of those being held in prisons and concentration camps. 7. To abolish all political departments, since no party should be given special privileges in the propagation of its ideas or receive the financial support of the state for such purposes. Instead, cultural and educational commissions should be established, locally elected and financed by the State. 8. To remove all road block detachments immediately. 9. To equalise the rations of all working people, with the exception of those employed in trades detrimental to health. 10. To abolish the Communist fighting detachments in all branches of the army, as well as the Communist guards kept on duty in factories and mills. Should such guard attachments be found necessary, they are to be appointed in the army from the ranks and in the factories and mills at the discretion of the workers. 11. To give peasants full freedom of action in regard to the land, and also the right to keep cattle, on condition that the peasants manage with their own means, that is, without employing hired labour. 12. To request all branches of the army, as well as our comrades the military cadets, to endorse our resolution. 13. To demand that the press give all our resolutions wide publicity. 14. To appoint an itinerant bureau of control. 15. To permit free handicraft production by one's own labour.
... would you like to remind me what the second point in the demands made by the sailors was?
Fucking what
Demanding freedom of speech doesn't really make you an anarchist?
"Both sides suffered casualties on par with the civil war's deadliest battles. The American consulate at Vyborg estimated 10,000 Bolsheviks dead, wounded, or missing, including 15 Congress delegates. Finland asked Russia to remove the bodies on the ice, fearing a public health hazard after the thaw. There are no reliable reports for rebel deaths, but one report estimated 600 dead, 1,000 wounded, and 2,500 imprisoned".....Faced with the prospect of summary executions, about 8,000 Kronstadt refugees (mostly soldiers)[200] crossed into Finland within a day of Kronstadt's fall, about half of the rebel forces.
Hey, I'm gonna be real with you, yeah? The 1917 Revolution wasn't just the Bolsheviks' doing, y'know? Loads of groups had a part in it. But the Bolsheviks took advantage of the whole situation to impose their own structure. And when anyone didn't see things their way, they had no problem killing 'em, just so no one would question their ideas.
I wonder why they were demanding freedom of speech for, specifically, left-socialist and anarchist groups?
They must have mentioned them for no particular reason. /s
That number offered by the American consulate isn't backed by Soviet archives, which cites ~3,400 dead of their own.
"Dead or wounded" is a much broader category than "Dead"
and...... Meaning they weren't a commune of just anarchist. Just a year before they were all congratulated by Trotsky himself for being such ardent communist. As I said in the first place they were disgruntled with the system, but that doesn't automatically make it an anarchist rebellion. No one claimed there weren't anarchist among them.... It was the early 1900s in Russia, you couldn't throw a stone without hitting an anarchist.
Ahh yes, the soviet's.... Famous for accurately archiving their casualties......
And this is the reason for your dramatic rebuttal, or are we just being pedantic now?
This you, buddy?
Oh, is that where we're at? Other than the speculations of the American embassy at the time, which would not have had much access to sources beyond the talk circulating amongst mid-level Soviet officials, who were unlikely to have been exceptionally loose-lipped around the Americans, whose numbers are we relying on now?
"Wow, you really think it's IMPORTANT that I tripled the number of dead???"
Yes.