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[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 47 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

As a European, I feel that we are still tiptoeing around Trumps threats and perhaps need a catalyst to start our transition away from reliance upon the US. The UK had Brexit which was wholly dumb. However, Europe is so much more than just a tiny island

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 2 points 55 minutes ago

It is always good to not look at what geopolitcal actors say, but what they do. For example the Make in Europe initative, the massive trade deals with Mercosur, India and a lot of other countries and blocks recently, a move towards local weapons and software purchases, working on replacing Visa and Mastercard with the digital Euro and so forth.

European countries were in general close allies of the US. That created a close reliance, which can not be cut without a lot of pain overnight. The biggest issue seems to be Russia right now. Having the US as a NATO member at least on paper defending members against Russia is usefull. As are the ability to purchase some American weapons, without European alternatives or with too low production numbers like Patriot. The smart move is to reduce the dependence on the US steadily, while not causing too many big breaks, which hurt Europe.

Probably a good comparison is what happened with Russia after the full scale invasion. A lot of yelling at each other. Massive fights on different positions and then half a year later the EU mostly cut off Russian fossil fuels, managed to set up a steady supply of arms and other aid to Ukraine, provide support for millions of refugees and so forth.

[–] icelimit@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

MEGA - Make Europe great again?

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 hour ago
[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

There will be some, like the Brexiteers. However, my though is that the entire world needs to reduce dependency upon the US, and the Trillionaire class.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's a continent to start.
Also, no such thing as "european", it's a bunch of different countries and most of them have been turning fascist in the last few years, just look at the growth of Le Pen in France and AfD in Germany, to name a few.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

There is such a thing as Europe. Not just as a continent, but as a political and cultural block. The main actor being the European Union, which is somewhere between the closest alliance and the weakest federation in the world. One key part about the EU is that it has strength somewhat independ from the members governments. The main parts of that are the European Comission and Parliament. The European Union then has a close sphere of influence mainly defined by the countries actively working on joing the EU and the EEA. Somewhat also the UK, which is in a weird position due to Brexit.

All of that is actually also chaning from an identity point of view. As in people see themself as citizens of Europe and their indiviual country. Even the far right is moving on that, with the more moderate(and they are still evil) no longer questioning the EU as such, but rather how it works. You can also see the European flag flown at protests in a lot of different places like for example Georgia.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 1 points 52 minutes ago

As in people see themself as citizens of Europe and their indiviual country.

That's propaganda or total BS, only the rich EU countries see themselves as european.