they bombed them for 8 years, a lot worse than "meaningfull opression".
All civilian targets.
And why should they run from their own country and let it be taken over by Banderites? A lot left, a lot stayed.
Same on the other side.
The economic situation is irrelevant.
As in all western propaganda ypu minimize the scope and influence of Banderites.
Nazis don't magically change their ideology because the Azov scum change their nazi logo a bit as we are made to believe.
Also they, as most visible and blatant are describesd as unique and an exception.
While there are plenty fascist batallions like Sich and Tornado. There are plenty more outside of the military and they have infested others with their ideology when they joined other instances of society.

And here's the nr 1 challenger for Zelenski should they have elections in 'free and democratic' ukraine.

I'm not saying everyone in ex-ukraine is a fascist but minimizing and whitewashing their huge nazi problem as is done here in the west is disgusting.
but that is of course the easy way for the US and vassals of getting regime change without fighting.
Arm and fund terrorists of all kinds in countries they don't like.
Whether it's fascists or headchoppers like Jolani, etc... Later to be rehabilitated when they take over a country and become a puppet regime.

[–] harcesz@szmer.info -2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

they bombed them for 8 years, a lot worse than

Yeah, and yet theres no proof for that claim in satellite or aerial pictures. Should look like the surface of the moon after 8years. Compare to any village or city Russian offensive rolls over, theres hardly a wall standing.

And why should they run from their own country and let it be taken over by Banderites?

Thought they were Russians and part of Russia since forever? Can you settle for one version of the propaganda claims?

As in all western propaganda ypu minimize the scope and influence of Banderites.

Where are you from mate? Cuz actuall Banderites slaughtered tens of thausands of people in my country. I often travel around a region where ethnical cleasing from both sides left hundreds of villages abandonded and covered by forrests. Being antifa its rather hard not to take that into consoderation, especially when cooperating with our comrades in Ukraine. Now who the fuck are you to claim to know what is going on? Where are you active and what are your sources on information on this? What gives you the right to question the people actually dealing with this?

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, and yet theres no proof for that claim in satellite or aerial pictures.

you're insane, even western biased the OSCE has detailed reports on those bombings.

Thought they were Russians and part of Russia since forever? Can you settle for one version of the propaganda claims?

you're deliberately twisting my words.
They are ethnic Russians with ukrainian nationality.
They have a right to live there which they did before the banderite scum had their coup and started attacking and discriminating them.

The rest of your statement suggests that you are from Poland.
They might have also been victim of banderites but that country is certainly in the top Russophobic countries, where I suspect your bias comes from.
Probably also why they don't give you impartial news and you clearly haven't seen the OSCE reports or other news.
Maybe if you're so familiar with the territory visit the Alley of Angels and the many places where the scum dropped petal bombs that hurt kids and other civilians.
And if you claim to be antifa you should know that there are 12 parties forbidden in ex-ukraine, mostly from the left and they arrested the union members.
But probably your 'comrades' are anarchists, always on the wrong side against what the west calls 'authoritarian governments'
Always used as gullible tools, same as with the Kurds doing the US imperialists work when they are made to fight a country the US wants to take over.
Tell me, how do you feel about the Nuland-Pyatt call where the US government decided who would be in the government after the coup?
Or is it likely this is another case of them being hypocrites?

I am Belgian and following this since before the start and the first regime chance operations with Yuchenko and that right-wing cunt Timoshenko.
I have as much right to have an opinion as you and maybe more.
I have access to every side and despite massive propaganda in my neutral opinion it is very clear who is the aggressor.
I have no reason to be biased.
You from Poland with its righ-wing government and Russophobia clearly only have one-sided news. Which is obvious since you claim there is no proof of an 8 year bombing campaign.
That's like denying the sun.
Really buddy, inform yourself

[–] harcesz@szmer.info 1 points 1 hour ago

you’re insane, even western biased the OSCE has detailed reports on those bombings.

https://cdn.osce.org/sites/default/files/f/documents/0/b/508991.pdf

Page 10 makes it sound like they were given access to only what the local FSB/GRU staff serving as local goverment wanted to show them?

your statement suggests that you are from Poland.

You never asked, but yeah Im from Poland, have a account on a Polish instance and some 10k posts in Polish so it shouldent be hard to guess.

They might have also been victim of banderites but that country is certainly in the top Russophobic countries, where I suspect your bias comes from.

Ah, so the "country" is biased, so obviously so am I? Surely im again twisting your words and you dont make asumptions about another 40 million people... Anyways wonder if the baias comes from 200 years of brutal occupation, more recent 50 years of less brutal occupation (only butchering some of the home army antinazi resistance members) or the fact that as opposed to you... We live in the region, see whats going on up close and have a right to self determination? Funny how that stuff works only when it serves your party line.

Maybe if you’re so familiar with the territory visit the Alley of Angels

What for? I worked with people whos fammielies and villages were butchered by the Russians.

and the many places where the scum dropped petal bombs that hurt kids and other civilians.

These I can visit in Ukrainian controlled territories easilly.

you should know that there are 12 parties forbidden in ex-ukraine,

You wouldent happen to support a system that used to outlaw all other parties? Also ex-ukraine is Donbas/Luhansk? How many proukrainian parties operate there without repression?

mostly from the left and they arrested the union members.

The funny thing is I work with Ukrainian unions. They face a lot of challanges from the capitalist goverment, absolutly. But cant recall them mentioning ajy actuall unionosts being imprisoned, and thats the left wing activist unions, not the mainstream yellow ones. Most of the unions in Ukraine are corrupt post-soviet mafia like structures btw in case you dont know. But I guess you meen some pro-russian ones? You at least carry a member card of any union, or is your concern pirely theorethical?

Tell me, how do you feel about the Nuland-Pyatt call where the US government decided who would be in the government after the coup?

Is western imperialist states meddling a surprise to you? It is not to me, or collectively to us, here. What seems to be a surprise to you is that Russia does the exact same. The entire region has suffered multiple imperialist wars coming from both sides. Soviets provided for the Nazis and invaded in tandem with them. Same as Kurds we know we got no friends other than the mountains. But its the real world. A more distant empire might be better then the one thst has been butchering your people for centuries and has troops on your doorstep. Realpolitics or geopolitics, call it what you want. This is broadly accepted as a fact.

I have as much right to have an opinion as you and maybe more.

Maybe more? Why would that be? Am I entitled to more oponions on Kongo the same way?
Im not denying your right to holding an opinion. Im resisting your attempt to shout down any other opinion, particularly from people who dont take their information from Russian propaganda channels but from actually, you know, living in the area and working woth refugees and activists in the war zone? I'm not asking you to blidly trust anything I say. You are telling me I cant speak my opinion bevaude you think you know better.

You from Poland with its righ-wing government and Russophobia clearly only have one-sided news.

Maybe check your western entitlement? You friend are watching the evening news for your information or something like that? Even if the RT propaganda is not officially accesible I could get access to it anytime. We just see how bullshit it is, and Ive been raised under dictatorship running its own, before this was taken over by capitalists and then a marrygoround of right wing nuts repeating putins talking points. So maybe I have more right to opinions on this, or does that only serve you?