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[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

How do you stop reactionary forces from just enslaving you again? You need a socialist state

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip -4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Of course, a socialist world. Not reactionary states claiming to be

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

But that's not what we are discussing here, we are discussing socialist states where public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes control the state.

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip -4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Ah so there was this meme that I commented on outside that discussion

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I'm aware and am referring to the meme as well, as we all are in this discussion.

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip -4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The meme parrots the kayfabe with controlled opposition and division created by the global authoritarian parasite class. They'll all have to go

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

What is the "global authoritarian parasite class?" Classes are specific relations to production and distribution. Are you referring to the top of the capitalist class, the imperialists in the US and Europe? I'm not sure how that relates to the meme. This meme is specifically about how liberals use terms like "authoritarian" to discredit existing socialist states, without an analysis of what that authority is used for and how it's different from capitalist states.

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip -5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You assume that there are existing socialist states. Every state is controlled right now. We've learned it time and time again, only this time there seems to be a momentum in people not accepting it anymore.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

There are existing socialist states, where public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes are in control of the state: the PRC, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam, Laos, and Venezuela. We've indeed learned time and time again that socialism can and does exist.

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip -5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It can exist, when the world doesn't have the pedophile overlords anymore manipulating population like cattle

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The PRC, Cuba, DPRK, Vietnam, Laos, and Venezuela are already socialist and are not controlled by an international pedophile cabal.

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip -4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

That's sweet. It's just a coincidence that their population is in the exact same situation, still being extracted of their time and energy?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Can you elaborate? No, their populations are absolutely not in the same situation. Their social surplus is dedicated to fulfilling the needs of their people, not extraordinary profits for the few.

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip -3 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Most of their time is still gone to wage slavery even with softer handcuffs (on some areas, and then harder on others). The control is the same.

[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

What no theory does to a mf 😭

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip -1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The theory was right all along

[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 3 points 5 hours ago

Scientific socialist theory has a pretty great track record of being proven right and affecting massive positive change throughout it's history.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 9 hours ago

This is all vibes-based. Explain exactly what you mean.

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

In a socialist world you don't need a state. It withers away and we all become communists or anarchists or whatever. In our world however, any socialist movement will immediately come under attack from reactionary forces from outside. A state is needed to suppress those reactionary forces.

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip -3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, they're suppressing every socialist attempt currently, but the facade is crumbling

[–] Flyberius@hexbear.net 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Where is the facade crumbling? I need some examples because honestly I have no idea what your are talking about.

[–] greenbit@lemmy.zip -4 points 10 hours ago

Someone joked in a comment about politics, that's one way to evaluate, with the Epstein files, Iran and the apocalypse plans being quite clear reveals