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The unaltered beauty of prion disease, parasitic brain invaders, dolphin rape, and other such naturally-occurring phenomena…
When people in a communist society look back at bourgeois society, they will be baffled and confused by the fear the atomised liberal subjects had of their inevitable death at the hand of some disease or other, and the amount of resources the rich spent extending their lifespan at the cost of their quality of life
Also the "all dolphins are torture obsessedremoveds" thing is about as true as "all humans are torture obsessedremoveds". This may shock you, but individuals of species are capable of wide varieties of behaviours. Theres also accounts of dolphins saving people, working closely with indigenous peoples to get food, and many other behaviours. Unfortunately they dont get as many clicks or views
I agree that nature is not hell. I also agree that there are plenty of problems when we orient our societies around capital accumulation. Heck, I see that there were benefits to the Paleolithic that we lost when we transitioned to the Neolithic.
If we are to conscientiously evaluate nature, I think it’s important neither to romanticize it nor demonize it.
I accept that my original comment seemed one-sided, reductive, and fear-laden. However, my goal was to serve as a counterweight to OP. Maybe I should’ve been more comprehensive in my original comment.
At the same time, I hope we can both agree that nature is a natural system that isn’t inherently good or bad. We humans are also not inherently good or bad. Therefore, any reductive narrative that claims that “nature is evil”, “nature is perfect”, “humans are the virus”, or “humans are perfect” is not accurate.
We are complex creatures in complex systems. Therefore our functions aren’t fixed. We can exploit exaptation. And so can what we call nature.
You're getting this pushback for a couple reasons.
First, I think you're missing part of the home in the OP. The heron has a flawed notion about alteration, and as they celebrate the beavers are hard at work altering the landscape literally behind its back. (Beaver-altered landscapes are beneficial to the niche of a green heron but that's beside the point.)
Second, responding to someone expressing a love of nature with a statement about how terrible and indifferent it is / can be is just kind of tired. We know! Modern human society means I'm insulated from those dangers, just a little knowledge and cooperation goes a long way! The death driven by humanity is the far larger horror in my opinion.
It doesn't come off as clever it just comes off as basic and needlessly contrarian.
This is not meant to be insulting but I feel your viewpoint fits well in the middle of this bell curve meme.
When you go outside for the first time it's gonna blow your mind
It’s alright I guess
Okay nerd
I’m glad we can agree. It’s a bit funny that I don’t necessarily entirely agree with what you say we agree on, but I’m glad that we can.
As to evaluating nature, I’m not sure nature is always brutal and scary. Just last night I said hi to my good friend the opossum. As to being a nerd, can’t really argue with that one. I hear it’s an insult for millennials but a good thing for Gen Z. I’ll take the Z one thx
when someone says something so grass phobic
how can I atone for my sins