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Ubuntu's trust problem in 4 concrete issues - verified facts, no FUD (media.piefed.social)
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[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago (7 children)

What's a better alternative that uses apt and KDE and has relatively up-to-date packages (other than Debian testing)?

[–] Zink@programming.dev 3 points 12 hours ago

It's not KDE, but I think Linux Mint Cinnamon is a no-brainer for somebody who really just wants to use ubuntu.

However, as a long time Mint fan I recently had reason to switch to Debian 13 w/ KDE Plasma and it is pretty great.

[–] atomicStan@programming.dev 8 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

uses apt

May I ask why you seem to be married to the use of apt?

~~Just couldn't pass up on the opportunity to insert this banger.~~

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't apt still better at resolving the dependency tree than other managers? (Idk if it is, but vaguely heard so.)

[–] atomicStan@programming.dev 2 points 12 hours ago

IIRC, historically, it was (one of) the first to do so. It took a significant time for (most^[Slackware, famously, continues to not have a dependency resolver. Though, they got their reasons.]) others to catch up.

still

Maybe. I honestly don't know either.

[–] lambalicious 4 points 17 hours ago

Debian Sid!

[–] Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 7 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Linux mint Debian Edition, and just install KDE yourself ig, otherwise MX linux KDE

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

What's wrong with Debian?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I already know about it, so there's no need to tell me.

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 2 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Fair enough.

There's also Pop and Mint, though I don't know if their update model differs from Ubuntu at all.

But if you're already familiar with Debian, why not use it? It's widely recommended for a reason, it's hard to beat.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Pop!_OS uses COSMIC (a modified GNOME), not KDE.

Linux Mint uses Cinnamon (a modified GNOME 3) or MATE (a modified GNOME 2), not KDE.

The answer to "why not Debian" is that I try to install Debian first every time, but if it doesn't work for whatever reason I grab Kubuntu instead of trying to troubleshoot it. 3 of the 4 desktop computers I've tried to install Linux on lately ended up with Kubuntu instead of Debian.

(For my personal desktop that tends to have a bleeding-edge graphics card at the time of building/installing, that's understandable. For the other computers, for other members of my family who don't need the latest and greatest, Debian's failure to support several-year-old hardware -- at least in the installation environment, without fiddling -- was less forgivable.)

[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 3 points 14 hours ago

I'm sure you can install KDE on either of those.

I'm surprised Debian doesn't Just Work for you though. I recently converted my laptop and desktop and had no issues.

Debian should be great on old hardware too. Longevity is part of their mission. The installation environent might be a bit tricky if you have really old or uncommon hardware, but in those cases I just pick the text installer, which has much fewer dependencies.

[–] mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works 0 points 12 hours ago

Would MX Linux with KDE fit your needs?

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Fedora offers apt. AFAIK not by default, so it has to be installed via dnf first but then it's available.

It's been like that for years.

[–] Aatube@thriv.social 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

https://www.google.com/search?q=why+shouldn%27t+you+use+apt+on+fedora&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&safe=active

It's a really bad idea to have two package managers overlap (this is also why more "cross-system" package managers like nix and brew are okay: they consciously install to separate paths to avoid overlapping)

Fedora does not offer APT repositories, so if you somehow don't overlap and pretty much exclusively use APT, you're pretty much just converting your distro to Debian (or whatever's providing your repos). In the forums we call this a Frankenstein; support is seldom given for raising the dead.