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What I'm upset about is the absolute wealth of information that will be forever trapped behind Discord. What ever happened to good old fashioned forums? Hell, even a subreddit would at least have been scrapable. If there's a mass migration away from Discord then all that information just gets lost. Example that Lemmings might care about - CachyOS has a forum, but I've seen the vast majority of troubleshooting and user input made on their Discord channel.
Maybe some people will migrate things back out. I wound up moving a bunch of stuff to a self hosted wiki.
Old fashioned forums are old fashioned. Circular logic but there's a lot holding them back.
How hard would it be to create an open source identity token that would allow user authentication on any forum or site that will accept it?
Something with a public/private encryption system to authenticate users without the content needing to be federated.
You might be thinking of the original OpenID system. Instead of the OAuth2 thing we have now with OIDC (e.g. "Login with Google"), OpenID Connect didn't require the site to be configured in advance with the auth provider. You just gave it your email address and off you went.
OIDC is generally superior security-wise but it's held back by each site to establish a relationship with the upstream site.
You've got some points but I would argue that antiquated UI will be what saves the Internet. Keeping out bots and AI scrapers with good old fashioned phpBBS systems that have been around for twenty years will be our clean data as we build systems outside of AI and the techbro properties.
I don't see how web 1.0 style sites are resistant to AI or bots. It's kind of the opposite. Bots/AI are really good at pure text stuff.
Because they block access without signing up.
I've also always liked how old school forums are structured. Nice, neat categories and most active/recent stuff on top.
Rather than paying for hosting and operational costs that goes with a forum, social media and the desire for immediacy happened as Yahoo created Groups, then Facebook followed suit with their own.
omg, you guys are almost there. you're so close, I can feel it.
so....why is the information locked behind a corporate entity?
Because a open sourced self hosted solution like discord hadn't been created yet.
oh I'm sure something existed, it just wasn't popular enough.
Because people prefer convenience to privacy and accessibility, I guess? If there was an easy way to scrape/crawl discord data I would be hoarding everything I could to repost on lemmy or something but AFAIK there are no easily automated ways to access it.
and that's no accident. it's by design.
creating a community is neat, but many are started irresponsibly. they don't take into consideration how to move if things "change".
people just willingly and blindly trust corporate suppliers because they do "so much stuff". not a care in the world as day by day their dependency grows.
That's why my side project energy has been focused on making decentralized solutions infrastructure more appliance-like reliability and boring. So app environment on top can have as close to equivalent advantage as centralized solutions.
As a Giant Bomb fan, it's somewhat renewed interest in forums over there from the operators and users. Discord was always a bad forum anyway, but it was great for immediately being able to have a conversation with people to find answers to problems.